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Post by rainkaimaramon on Sept 14, 2016 15:49:04 GMT -5
Alan Moore recently crawled from his cave and declared with his crazy beard that comics was the worst thing ever to fiction and we all should feel ashamed for making them. Satoshi Kon in his Paranoid Agent said anime is full of angry murders, games make people delusional and will destroy the world . Final Fantasy advanced had Marche committing mass genocide, sort of, I think, they weren't very clear in the game itself. Why are so many people who think escapism is a form of evils that will cause the devil itself to come from the ground and eat the sun? Why are so many of them preaching the wonders of the world ignore the fact many people are not fully health rich people that can hope a jet and fly to some mountain area in a foreign country or actually do basic things, like one of my sick family members who cannot even wash themself because of health. Stopping watching/listening to tv, playing games or even never reading another book will never give them their health back, in fact it's the only them that makes them happy. Yes I heard the argument you want people to leave their house to talk to people, but if they are a special kind of screwed up do you really want them out and about? There is actually people who string wire along park paths to harm bicyclists, how come they get off light while somebody who sits in front of a tv all day gets all the flack? It's a rant, sorry about that, but I just want to say that as well that I will never understand the hate for escapism, much less using the medium of escapism to tell people that escapism is evil. That's like a beer company telling their costumers that beers is bad because it causes people to get drunk or a supermarket refusing to sell food because it might make people fat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 16:38:54 GMT -5
Alan Moore complains about everything, though.
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Post by X-pert74 on Sept 14, 2016 16:43:27 GMT -5
Who is Alan Moore?
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Post by Weasel on Sept 14, 2016 17:05:33 GMT -5
He wrote a lot of award-winning graphic novels for DC and then proceeded to complain about their movie adaptations.
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Post by JDarkside on Sept 14, 2016 17:24:33 GMT -5
He wrote a lot of award-winning graphic novels for DC and then proceeded to complain about their movie adaptations. Which is understandable because they're all shit or inferior. Also lol OP. Someone is tired of a thing and complains about it, that doesn't stop you from liking it. Not everything needs an angry defense, put all this in perspective. Personally, I disagree with Moore on a lot because I love capes, buuuuuuuut I do agree the current state of superheroes in comics is one of the single most pathetic, flaccid, pointless exercises in existence. And I too am sick of Batman.
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Post by Elvin Atombender on Sept 14, 2016 17:31:23 GMT -5
Speaking of Moore, his new novel, Jerusalem, should be already out. I wonder if it's good. He wrote a lot of award-winning graphic novels for DC and then proceeded to complain about their movie adaptations. Also, Moore is the first person to show that characters created by Rob Liefeld improve a lot when they aren't written and drawn by Liefeld himself, by retooling Supreme (a violent Superman lookalike) into a homage of the character. He also wrote a couple of actual Superman stories and of course he complains a lot about them too.
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Post by Snarboo on Sept 14, 2016 18:55:43 GMT -5
Also lol OP. Someone is tired of a thing and complains about it, that doesn't stop you from liking it. Not everything needs an angry defense, put all this in perspective. These are the most ironic words I've seen you type on these forums. More to the point, I don't really have strong feelings about escapist media either way? The argument could be made that escapist media can let bad ideas go unchallenged, but I don't think most people think or feel that deeply about the media they consume. It also assumes that people's world views are informed by what they consume rather than the opposite: they only consume media that confirms their views. How are we defining escapist media, anyway? Is it any media we're not meant to think deeply about?
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Post by JDarkside on Sept 14, 2016 19:19:05 GMT -5
Also lol OP. Someone is tired of a thing and complains about it, that doesn't stop you from liking it. Not everything needs an angry defense, put all this in perspective. These are the most ironic words I've seen you type on these forums. I don't get mad when someone doesn't like the thing I like, I get mad at things like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ect.
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Post by Weasel on Sept 14, 2016 19:32:39 GMT -5
He wrote a lot of award-winning graphic novels for DC and then proceeded to complain about their movie adaptations. Which is understandable because they're all shit or inferior. I really liked the movie of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Went to read the trade paperback later on, and really just didn't like it at all.
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Post by Snarboo on Sept 14, 2016 19:37:34 GMT -5
]I don't get mad when someone doesn't like the thing I like, I get mad at things like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ect. It's ironic because your default response is to get mad and outraged over everything, no matter how trivial? I mean, your post is dripping with sarcasm and derision, over a subject that doesn't really deserve it. At least, I don't think that rainkaimaramon's post deserved a response that strong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 19:42:13 GMT -5
Which is understandable because they're all shit or inferior. I really liked the movie of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Went to read the trade paperback later on, and really just didn't like it at all. Isn't that the movie that supposedly made Sean Connery give up on acting?
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Post by Snarboo on Sept 14, 2016 19:55:07 GMT -5
FWIW, I didn't think League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was bad, either. It was a pretty decent popcorn flick, especially for a mid 2000s film.
Then again, I also liked the Watchmen film, so take of that as you will. :p
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Post by GamerL on Sept 14, 2016 20:53:27 GMT -5
These are the most ironic words I've seen you type on these forums. I don't get mad when someone doesn't like the thing I like, I get mad at things like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ect. But if someone likes something you perceive as having racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ect or has the involvement of someone who is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, such as Doug TenNapel, then it's a problem, right? FWIW, I didn't think League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was bad, either. It was a pretty decent popcorn flick, especially for a mid 2000s film. Then again, I also liked the Watchmen film, so take of that as you will. I thought the Watchmen movie was very solid too, good cast, good visuals, good soundtrack, probably just about the best possible movie you could make out of Watchmen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 21:29:05 GMT -5
These are the most ironic words I've seen you type on these forums. I don't get mad when someone doesn't like the thing I like, I get mad at things like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ect. You are quick to insult people who like things you find offensive even if they like them for reasons unrelated to the controversy. Voting with your wallet is one thing, trying to mob bystanders is another. Also, you complain about sexism but express enthusiasm about trashy old OVAs like Ninja Scroll without explaining the disparity. More on-topic, I don't get how anyone can take Evangelion at face value given how tacky some of the merch is.
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Post by Maciej Miszczyk on Sept 14, 2016 23:56:02 GMT -5
I dunno, I guess some people think enjoyment is not a value in itself or that instead of escapism we should be directly tackling real-world issues. I disagree (I think escapist media is needed, and I disagree with the idea that everything needs to be about sending a message), but I understand the position. These are the most ironic words I've seen you type on these forums. I don't get mad when someone doesn't like the thing I like, I get mad at things like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ect. after you got mad at people for not having a problem playing TenNapel's games, I've looked at your twitter (inb4 'stalking' - there's a link in the signature) and you were in the middle of an angry rant about people disliking moe anime. you also got mad when people criticized Nintendo's localization policies. in your mind all those things might come from 'racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.' but it requires a lot of jumping to conclusions. and if you don't get mad at people disagreeing with you (probably because sometimes even you can't find the reason to accuse someone of bigotry), you get smug and dismissive like in this thread. More on-topic, I don't get how anyone can take Evangelion at face value given how tacky some of the merch is. who cares about the merch? Evangelion has a great audio-visual style (the montages, the typography, the use of classical music, the live-action footage in EoE), a cast of fucked-up characters and some interesting ideas behind it. all that makes it a really mesmerizing experience despite the pacing issues. merchandise and behind the scenes stuff doesn't even factor in it. RoE3 was boring though.
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