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Post by wyrdwad on Jan 18, 2018 11:05:27 GMT -5
The first Onimusha was definitely going to be a Resident Evil game -- I'm 100% sure about that, as I remember reading that was the reason for the stupid-ass tank controls (my one gripe with the game!). If anything, I'm surprised to hear DMC1 was supposed to be a Resident Evil game, since it bears NO resemblance to Resident Evil whatsoever -- whereas Onimusha definitely does FEEL like a Resident Evil game, just in feudal Japan. -Tom
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Post by dsparil on Jan 18, 2018 11:27:56 GMT -5
I don't think it was that Onimusha was supposed by a Resident Evil game as in a prequel; just that the idea was Resident Evil with ninjas. There's actually a source interview for that: Granted, this is a translated interview from '97 and maybe the idea for a direct connection was made later before being dropped, but it doesn't seem to be part of the original conception.
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Post by soniti254 on Jan 18, 2018 11:29:25 GMT -5
The first Onimusha was definitely going to be a Resident Evil game -- I'm 100% sure about that, as I remember reading that was the reason for the stupid-ass tank controls (my one gripe with the game!). If anything, I'm surprised to hear DMC1 was supposed to be a Resident Evil game, since it bears NO resemblance to Resident Evil whatsoever -- whereas Onimusha definitely does FEEL like a Resident Evil game, just in feudal Japan. -Tom No resemblance at all? DMC1 actually has quite a few similarities to the Resident Evil games: the gruesome death scenes, the "You Are Dead" game over screen, the creepy monsters, the "puzzle solving" (I use this loosely, since both RE and DMC's idea of puzzle solving is bring X item to Y place), the static camera angles, the game takes place in an isolated location, even Dante looks suspiciously a lot like Leon Kennedy. It's also known that the first Devil May Cry was originally meant to be Resident Evil 4, but sometime during development the team realized that what they had was quite different from other Resident Evil games; so they decided to rebrand it as something new rather then scrap it entirely. I agree that DMC1, in my opinion, is the overall best game in the Devil May Cry franchise. While 3 and 4 are arguably better from a gameplay perspective, the first game has such a unique mood and atmosphere that the sequels never quite replicated. Another first game in a franchise that I thought was the best is another Capcom game; the first Ace Attorney. Each case's story is engaging and great, none of the characters are too quirky and annoying, and I think it has the best writing overall in the series.
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 18, 2018 11:44:36 GMT -5
Painkiller - a great first person shooter with some fantastic visual design, followed by expansion pack of scrapped levels, tons of misguided third-party expansions and a poorly made remake with half the levels being cut out from the game. It's one of the rare cases where franchise lasts for almost a decade, but the only entry everybody remembers is the first one, and all the sequels are pretty much ignored by everybody.
F.E.A.R. - original F.E.A.R. got such a good reception thanks to chaotic John Woo-esque shootouts (walls breaking, objects falling, dust and cement flying everywhere - it still holds up great even 12+ years after release) and phenomenally programmed AI that could outsmart you at times. Second and third entry in the series dumbed AI down a lot and scaled back on destruction and chaos of its predecessor, which turned both games from one-of-the-kind experiences into semi-decent shooters with spooky elements. This is what happens when developers completely misunderstand and ignore all the good parts of original, instead overfocusing on the boring ones. Like, the whole storyline about clones and long-haired girl that was eventually turned into a confusing mess - it was a decent framing device to implement some spooks, but I can't think of anybody who plays F.E.A.R. for some kind of intricate storytelling instead of shooting stuff a lot.
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Post by wyrdwad on Jan 18, 2018 12:06:45 GMT -5
I don't think it was that Onimusha was supposed by a Resident Evil game as in a prequel; just that the idea was Resident Evil with ninjas. Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant. It was designed as a sort of Resident Evil spin-off game. Also, point taken on DMC! I guess I never made the connection before because it's tonally so different from the actual Resident Evil games. It's hard to imagine it was ever meant to be anything but what it is. -Tom
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Post by Snake on Jan 18, 2018 15:33:09 GMT -5
Here's a few off the top of my head: Crysis Banjo Kazooie Chrono Trigger Dungeon Master Lands of Lore Lemmings Vandal Hearts Yoshi's Island I can agree with these. Particularly Chrono Trigger and Yoshi's Island. Especially Yoshi's Island. I remember jumping on Yoshi's Story for N64, and being so disappointed with it. Bought it new, played it once. One and done. Never again. Resident Evil 1 is still my favorite one. Live-action FMV, B-movie voice-acting. A supernatural horror that turned out to be just scientific research, plot twist. None of the later games have recreated this masterpiece experience. Metal Gear Solid 1. To me, it is the most fun to play. The controls haven't gotten too convoluted, the story didn't get too whacked out. All the boss battles are a lot of fun without being too drawn out. My favorite soundtrack of the bunch. Bust-A-Groove 1. Chalk it down to better songs, the defining feature of any dance/rhythm game. Ridge Racer 1. At its peak at the arcade, this was a game that had me coming back the most. I just couldn't get into Rage Racer. Ys Book 1 and 2. Okay, this is kind of cheating, since really Ys 1 is its own separate game. But being packaged as a set for Turbografx CD really made it a complete encompassing experience. None of the later Ys games have had me replaying the game as much as this entry. The soundtrack is among Yuzo Koshiro's best work.
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Post by toei on Jan 18, 2018 16:08:42 GMT -5
I think I've got one, and it's yet another Capcom series! I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or not, but considering that the entire world seems to have completely forgotten this series exists, I'm assuming it's probably not very controversial at all -- the sequels more or less just killed the franchise outright, I believe. I speak of Onimusha! Remember Onimusha? The first game wasn't perfect, but it had a pretty cool atmosphere to it, and was a lot of fun to explore. And genuinely pretty creepy! The sequels, however, were... kind of not great. I mean, they weren't the worst or anything, but they certainly did NOT live up to the promise of the original entry. At least, IMHO. -Tom Funny thing about Onimusha is that it gets brought up pretty regularly here, but always with a "this game is completely forgotten". The weirdest has to be Onimusha 3. I barely played it, but the gameplay seemed messed-up, and half the game takes place in France, with a Jean Reno surrogate? In a samurai-themed series? What the hell, Capcom? Also, play Souls of the Samurai if you haven't, it's the same concept as the original Onimusha, done a few years before by Konami.
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Post by toei on Jan 18, 2018 16:20:11 GMT -5
Final Fight. The 2nd is a boring, tedious mess with interminable levels and some very lame characters, while the third introduces a few nice gameplay elements, but the levels are still too long and, most importantly, the enemies refuse to put up a fight. I like to fight things that fight back.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Jan 18, 2018 16:27:00 GMT -5
I think I've got one, and it's yet another Capcom series! I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or not, but considering that the entire world seems to have completely forgotten this series exists, I'm assuming it's probably not very controversial at all -- the sequels more or less just killed the franchise outright, I believe. I speak of Onimusha! Remember Onimusha? The first game wasn't perfect, but it had a pretty cool atmosphere to it, and was a lot of fun to explore. And genuinely pretty creepy! The sequels, however, were... kind of not great. I mean, they weren't the worst or anything, but they certainly did NOT live up to the promise of the original entry. At least, IMHO. -Tom Also, play Souls of the Samurai if you haven't, it's the same concept as the original Onimusha, done a few years before by Konami. I think Genji: Dawn of the Samurai is a very close call too and it doesn't get mentioned much at all.
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Post by lurker on Jan 18, 2018 16:29:38 GMT -5
Of the two 3D Gauntlet titles I prefer Gauntlet Legends over its sequel/remake, Gauntlet: Dark Legacy. Mainly it comes down to music preferences between the levels they share (not a fan of DL's use of guitars in one of the castle levels and Legends, I feel, has the better version of the Desecrated Temple theme). Also, I like how you can turn the powerups on and off in Legends, which is lost in the jump to Dark Legacy.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Jan 18, 2018 16:43:45 GMT -5
Some obvious ones for me: For Rayman I think the first one is still the best. Rollercoaster Tycoon I think the first one is better mostly because it has more fun missions. If you have the expansion packs, there's honestly not much you're missing from RCT2.
The Sims is another one for me. I guess that one has to do with how I play the Sims games generally. F-Zero for sure is the best F-Zero game.
Also DOOM, but I haven't played 3 or 4 yet, so that's a bit early for me to say, actually.
Both Wario Land and WarioWare as well, though for WarioWare, Touched comes very, very close.
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Post by dsparil on Jan 18, 2018 17:07:23 GMT -5
Golden Axe - Never could get into 2 or 3. As a kid, I played the original almost everyday for years without ever beating it and this was 2 player with a neighbor.
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Post by lurker on Jan 18, 2018 17:20:43 GMT -5
Some obvious ones for me: For Rayman I think the first one is still the best. Rollercoaster Tycoon I think the first one is better mostly because it has more fun missions. If you have the expansion packs, there's honestly not much you're missing from RCT2. The Sims is another one for me. I guess that one has to do with how I play the Sims games generally. F-Zero for sure is the best F-Zero game. Also DOOM, but I haven't played 3 or 4 yet, so that's a bit early for me to say, actually. Both Wario Land and WarioWare as well, though for WarioWare, Touched comes very, very close. Still need to play Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 at some point. Wish they would have added a Freeplay mode to the franchise sooner.
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Post by lurker on Jan 18, 2018 17:22:08 GMT -5
Golden Axe - Never could get into 2 or 3. As a kid, I played the original almost everyday for years without ever beating it and this was 2 player with a neighbor. I have a fondness for Revenge of Death Adder, though, even despite the recycling at the end.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Jan 18, 2018 17:28:36 GMT -5
Ah right, RCT has more games that just 1 and 2, haha. I mean, I adressed 1 not missing stuff from 2, but it goes without saying that both are better than 3 and anything beyond that.
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