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Post by Joseph Joestar on Nov 20, 2014 18:58:30 GMT -5
That, and the fact that you're only a bigot or a hatemonger if you're a white American male. Otherwise you're free to hate and discriminate all you want. See that I hate too. I guess I'm a hippy - I don't understand why people can't just leave each other alone. I don't picture you spitting on soldiers though, so maybe you'd be a mutant good/inoffensive hippie like the Freak Brothers.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Nov 20, 2014 18:59:12 GMT -5
Wasn't that like a PC game? Why would Gamestop even carry that. The kind of person that wakes up at 5AM to immediately journey onward to purchase an electronic rape simulator is probably not the kind of person to give that much thought to something. Dude the Rance games are awesome though. I'd brave a midnight launch for one of those.
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Post by chronotigger65 on Nov 20, 2014 19:04:26 GMT -5
OMG! I know someone here is going to write an article on this and post it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:05:13 GMT -5
See that I hate too. I guess I'm a hippy - I don't understand why people can't just leave each other alone. I don't picture you spitting on soldiers though, so maybe you'd be a mutant good/inoffensive hippie like the Freak Brothers. Unfortunately soldiers are necessary for every country - they do a job I don't want to do and couldn't do so I respect their right to live that career. The kind of people doing protests are protesting at the wrong people and giving lefties a bad rep like Peta nutjobs. If the internet does anything it amplifies the more obnoxious extremists of each belief, faith and subculture. No one can even manage to debate normally without threads getting locked if you mutter the words FFVII even hahaha
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Post by JDarkside on Nov 20, 2014 20:04:52 GMT -5
Wasn't that like a PC game? Why would Gamestop even carry that. The kind of person that wakes up at 5AM to immediately journey onward to purchase an electronic rape simulator is probably not the kind of person to give that much thought to something. As someone who used to hang out on a porn game forum, I can back this statement.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Nov 20, 2014 20:09:47 GMT -5
Wasn't that like a PC game? Why would Gamestop even carry that. The kind of person that wakes up at 5AM to immediately journey onward to purchase an electronic rape simulator is probably not the kind of person to give that much thought to something. Real dick move man, using logic like that. Making me feel stupid.
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Post by Scylla on Nov 20, 2014 20:30:48 GMT -5
In Japan, everything is trains. If you can't walk there, you take a train. Sometimes you'll take a bus, if there are no trains going where you're going... but most of the time, there will be trains going where you're going, so you'll take a train. Most people in Japan don't even own cars because public transportation is just so... omnipresent. You basically just described NYC. Sure, American suburbia is all about cars, but trains are very widely used in many major US cities. God, I wish the trains here weren't disgusting overcrowded, that would be wonderful. I can't count how many times I've been shoulder to shoulder packed into a train or bus. I even once passed out on an extremely packed bus because it was so stuffy and hot (it doesn't help that I'm short, so if I'm surrounded by tall dudes, it's like I'm trapped in a bubble of stale, uncirculated air). And in all these years, all these rides, I've never once been groped. That's not to say women are never touched or molested on NYC trains and buses, but there isn't anything remotely like groping "culture" in Japan, where it's basically regarded as an inevitability you should simply accept. That's how a lot of misconduct toward women in Japan goes, they have a culture of keeping quiet, rather than making real strides to crack down in terms of prosecution and addressing the problematic mindsets within their culture. You know, a big part of the ganguro movement was actually a matter of self-protection. Foreigners may laugh and make fun of how those girls look, but they're making a conscious effort to distance themselves from the Yamato nadeshiko ideal, which ganguro girls confirm decreases the amount of gropings and unwanted attention they receive from creeps. The lolita fashion/culture movement also has an interesting history, almost akin to punk, believe it or not, in which the cutesy look/lifestyle was in contrast to what Japanese society expected of teenage/young adult women. Of course, the male-targeted "loli" fetish is an entirely different thing. Anyway, I sure hope a game like Lover Boy at least wasn't accessible to young impressionable boys who were still developing their views on women. I've heard stories about how porn arcade games weren't so hard to find here in NYC in the 90s, like you could find Gals Panic in laundromats and car services and what have you (and the business owners usually wouldn't put in any great effort to keep kids off them). But your run-of-the-mill porn game isn't a huge deal, in my opinion; it's these games that treat rape as something positive that definitely need to be kept away from children and teenagers (ideally they shouldn't be made in the first place).
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Post by wyrdwad on Nov 20, 2014 20:59:01 GMT -5
Well put. I actually agree with everything you just said, including your writeup of "groping culture." I honestly hadn't realized trains were as widely used in cities as they apparently are (I've never lived in a major city here), and was just armchair-theorizing as I'm wont to do (and to be fair, I maintain that you're still far more likely to find reliable and readily accessible train service in Japan if you live in the suburbs or deep in the countryside, though a lot of that is simply because of how much bigger the U.S. is). But yes, another part of Japanese culture in general that's not exactly positive is the notion best summarized as, "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down." It's the source of classic Japanese phrases like "shou ga nai" and "shikata nai" (which are both usually translated, infuriatingly to me as a localizer since people rarely actually say this in English, as "it can't be helped"), and is a widely advocated way of life for a lot of Japanese people. And while I maintain that the potential is there for Americans to match Japanese groping numbers pervert-for-pervert, we're both a much more litigious society than Japan and a society much less willing to accept that which we disapprove of. As a result, would-be gropers are probably a lot less likely to risk getting caught here than they are in Japan, because they're a lot more likely to GET caught.
I still don't think Japan is overall a more dangerous place for women than the U.S., however. At the very least, not if you're a non-Japanese woman. But that's a very subjective thing, and I have no proof to back up that claim, so I'll just leave it at, "Japan ain't as bad for women as people make it out to be -- though it certainly does have its issues."
-Tom
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Post by alphex on Nov 20, 2014 22:38:04 GMT -5
I'd love to see a sociology study of these places and anonymous populated sites like 4chan to see the effects of their hostile and joking culture (going on a tangent, I know, but it really is fascinating stuff). I'll have finished my master's next week. Give me a PhD programme for that and a death wish and I'm game. Seriously - the sheer amount of specific 4chan lingo as well as the volume of material to review would probably make this either a joke from a scientific point of view or for the audience who will know the "scene" it covers. You'd need to explain memes in scientific terms (even the shittiest ones) and also verify how likely it is for "lol jk i actually love them niggers" to be racist trolling, trolling or something else. For analyses, you need to analyse the context as well, which makes randomly sampled posts borderly impossible to interpret (which would otherwise be quite smart, given the amount of posts on 4chan), given the amount of in-thread references. You could do an analysis on whether the shift in joke-culture and 4chan's postings correlated, though (whether it's said culture in general, on "the internet" (far from a homogenous place...) in general or just on 4chan). I'm not sure were to get data on that (i.e. old discussions on 4chan) though. But seriously, I doubt the results would shock anyone. Access to some raw data would still be fun - just some basic quantitative scanning (i.e. how often certain words were used, which ones usually appear in pairs) should prove pretty telling already. But a whole project on it, holy crap. I'm not sure if it'd be worth the effort.
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Post by strizzuth on Nov 21, 2014 1:04:07 GMT -5
Oh god, it plays Ode To Joy when you beat a level?!?!
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Post by JDarkside on Nov 21, 2014 7:45:02 GMT -5
I'd love to see a sociology study of these places and anonymous populated sites like 4chan to see the effects of their hostile and joking culture (going on a tangent, I know, but it really is fascinating stuff). I'll have finished my master's next week. Give me a PhD programme for that and a death wish and I'm game. Seriously - the sheer amount of specific 4chan lingo as well as the volume of material to review would probably make this either a joke from a scientific point of view or for the audience who will know the "scene" it covers. You'd need to explain memes in scientific terms (even the shittiest ones) and also verify how likely it is for "lol jk i actually love them niggers" to be racist trolling, trolling or something else. For analyses, you need to analyse the context as well, which makes randomly sampled posts borderly impossible to interpret (which would otherwise be quite smart, given the amount of posts on 4chan), given the amount of in-thread references. You could do an analysis on whether the shift in joke-culture and 4chan's postings correlated, though (whether it's said culture in general, on "the internet" (far from a homogenous place...) in general or just on 4chan). I'm not sure were to get data on that (i.e. old discussions on 4chan) though. But seriously, I doubt the results would shock anyone. Access to some raw data would still be fun - just some basic quantitative scanning (i.e. how often certain words were used, which ones usually appear in pairs) should prove pretty telling already. But a whole project on it, holy crap. I'm not sure if it'd be worth the effort. It's becoming a relevant issue today, now that places like 4chan are starting to encourage criminal behavior. Someone will have to deal with the issue eventually, and a series of studies is better than the alternative of the government putting regulations on the internet in a wide net because none of them know what the internet is.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Nov 21, 2014 7:52:44 GMT -5
He's not the hero we need. Just the one the whiny extremists deserve.
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Post by moran on Nov 21, 2014 8:16:26 GMT -5
Is he giving her the Ken Shamrock Ankle Lock?
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Nov 21, 2014 8:20:22 GMT -5
Is he giving her the Ken Shamrock Ankle Lock? That's not all he gives her...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 8:24:22 GMT -5
Whilst it is an absurd image- and no doubt game too- thats still a little too rapey for my liking :-p
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