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Post by jorpho on Sept 1, 2008 0:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by zzz on Sept 1, 2008 1:57:01 GMT -5
I swear, grammar nazism is the single most irrating thing that people do on the internet. Correcting spelling is A-OK, but as long as it all makes sense and seems natural, there is no reason to nit-pick about grammar.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 1, 2008 10:12:00 GMT -5
Yeah, but that stuff was actually wrong, mostly incorrect tenses, and were stuff I added in and neglected to properly fix.
EDITED FOR UNINTENTIONAL IRONY
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Post by zzz on Sept 1, 2008 10:40:48 GMT -5
I didn't say that none of them were mistakes. However... Each Turtle has a strong attack where they jump and swing their weapon Each Turtle has a strong attack where he jumps and swings his weapon There's nothing wrong with the original sentence here. But yeah, the rest were mistakes.
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Post by Shellshock on Sept 1, 2008 20:20:05 GMT -5
If you guys ever wondered what made the TMNT so popular in the 80's despite its seemingly random amalgamation of concepts, take a look at a better, more refined example of the same kind of market study in action: Mighty Morphing Power Rangers. I always thought the turtles owed their success to a seemingly random and nonsensical combination of things all kids like: martial arts, mutants, and weapons. MMPR is a direct evolution of this concept, only taken even further: there are martial arts, mutants, and weapons; but also add aliens, lasers, giant robots, animals, dinosaurs, all sorts of vehicles, and any other stuff kids are immediately impressed by. Can you guys think of any other series that are based on this model?
EDIT: did you guys know that the arcade games and the tv series are only loosely based on Eastman's and Laird's original concept? That's why there's no Rocksteady, Bebop, and robot Foot Clan (among other things) on the movies and original comic. (Splinter is actually a mutated Hamato Yoshi in the cartoon and games, while originally he's supposed to be Yoshi's transformed pet).
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Sept 2, 2008 0:00:35 GMT -5
MMPR is a direct evolution of this concept, only taken even further: there are martial arts, mutants, and weapons; but also add aliens, lasers, giant robots, animals, dinosaurs, all sorts of vehicles, and any other stuff kids are immediately impressed by. Can you guys think of any other series that are based on this model? Except the Power Rangers concept predates the Turtles by a few years in Japan. The original MMPR were based on the Zyuranger, which was the latest incarnation of Toei's Super Sentai franchise, which began in 1975 with the original Goranger.
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Post by Shellshock on Sept 2, 2008 8:07:58 GMT -5
Except the Power Rangers concept predates the Turtles by a few years in Japan. The original MMPR were based on the Zyuranger, which was the latest incarnation of Toei's Super Sentai franchise, which began in 1975 with the original Goranger. Of course, but did these sentai shows really exploit the idea to the point the Power Rangers did with each successive season, or were they mainly martial artists in costumes fighting monsters? I think the MMPR were primarily responsible for carrying that flag in the west. But what the hell do I know. I never watched the old pre-MMPR Japanese shows.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 2, 2008 16:42:43 GMT -5
IIRC, I think Voltron was the only other sentai-like show that made it to North America. I know some other various ones made it to Europe and such.
A Joseph Campbell-style look at this topic would be interesting.
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Post by derboo on Sept 4, 2008 8:03:28 GMT -5
MMPR is a direct evolution of this concept, only taken even further: there are martial arts, mutants, and weapons; but also add aliens, lasers, giant robots, animals, dinosaurs, all sorts of vehicles, and any other stuff kids are immediately impressed by. Wait... didn't the TMNT have all that?
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Post by Shellshock on Sept 4, 2008 18:52:19 GMT -5
MMPR is a direct evolution of this concept, only taken even further: there are martial arts, mutants, and weapons; but also add aliens, lasers, giant robots, animals, dinosaurs, all sorts of vehicles, and any other stuff kids are immediately impressed by. Wait... didn't the TMNT have all that? Well yes, in one episode or another. But it all didn't show on a single episode at one time. Just think about how much stuff is crammed into the MMPR's main heroes only: martials arts, melee weapons, laser weapons, giant mecha, all sorts of futuristic vehicles, futuristic vehicles with laser weapons, giant mecha that transforms into futuristic vehicles with laser weapons, giant mecha that transforms into dinosaurs, giant dinosaur mecha that combines with itself to transform into bigger dinosaur mecha... It's like having Transformers, Thundercats, TMNT, Mask, He-Man, etc.. all crammed into one show. I always thought MMPR, from the marketing point of view, was an extremely interesting product. It is said that anything in excess is bad, but cramming pretty much every single thing a kid in this age range likes into a single show worked (and still does, about... what, 10 years later?).
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Post by zzz on Sept 10, 2008 16:11:25 GMT -5
Anybody wanna try to tier the TMNT games?
I'd say that for the original it all comes down to range. Meaning that the order can only be...
Donatello Leonardo Michaelangelo Raphael
Or have I got this all wrong?
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Post by Mister K on Sept 10, 2008 18:51:45 GMT -5
Why is so hard to throw enemies at the screen in the arcade Turtle in Time? It seems like its random.
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Post by onoff456 on Sept 11, 2008 1:09:56 GMT -5
I like most of the article. It's not as opinionated as other of ZZZ's recent works so that's great. He seems to like the original TMNT arcade more than its sequel. The Turtles in Time section dwells too much on nitpicks and why he thinks it isn't as good. The article imples to great extent the sequel is inferior. It reminds me a little bit of similar commentary made in his Golden Axe article in respects to Golden Axe 2.
EDIT: Shortened my post to make it less ranty. I forgot to say I have read many positive reviews about the GBA TMNT beat em up from Ubisoft. I played it myself and the game is very good. It seems Internet game reviewers actually expected this game to be as bad as the recent konami console ports. Nice to see it included in the article as well. Cheers!
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Post by Neo Rasa on Sept 11, 2008 12:09:32 GMT -5
IIRC, I think Voltron was the only other sentai-like show that made it to North America. I know some other various ones made it to Europe and such. Nah man, Ultra 7 and a bunch were definitely here when I was a kid. I think one of the Asian stations we got even aired Space Chief Shaider, subtitles and all. As a kid I remember being impressed that the movie was pretty accurate to the first several issues of the comic but with the pickpocketing kids added in. TMNT itself, the comic, was successful because it was an intentional mockery/homage to the various things that were cliches in comics and cartoons at the time. The cartoon was a success because it completely gives in. It didn't add THAT much though, the original comics had plenty of aliens and science fiction elements and robotic things very early on.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 11, 2008 17:18:55 GMT -5
I like most of the article. It's not as opinionated as other of ZZZ's recent works so that's great. He seems to like the original TMNT arcade more than its sequel. The Turtles in Time section dwells too much on nitpicks and why he thinks it isn't as good. The article imples to great extent the sequel is inferior. It reminds me a little bit of similar commentary made in his Golden Axe article in respects to Golden Axe 2. ZZZ actually did not write the Golden Axe article. It's been awhile since I played either of them in depth, but the gist of what he's saying that while Turtles in Time is a bit better mechanically and graphically, the levels aren't as inspired as the first arcade game. I can definitely see that - but the gap between the two games isn't terribly big, so I can see it all coming down to a matter of preference. I agree that the time travel aspect was definitely squandered.
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