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Post by kimimi on Jul 12, 2010 13:23:22 GMT -5
2) I shouldn't have been so harsh in my criticism, but the article just seems really dismissive of eroge. I was surprised by this, because I enjoyed your excellent blog post about Princess Maker 2 the other day. Obviously there are many crap games whose only purpose is to serve up pixelated nakedness, but there are also some really good games that also happen to deal with erotic themes. I think it would be a shame if those were ignored. "The West" is even catching up in that regard. The most acclaimed WRPGs these days (read: Bioware RPGs) tend to contain sex scenes as well. Or take the God of War series and Dante's Inferno. There's sex and there's sex though - while Mass Effect features you building up to a consensual sex scene with another adult I've had PC98 games go from "Hey this looks like a neat dungeon crawler" to "She's ramming it WHERE?! o.O" in literally five minutes. |
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Post by Jave on Jul 12, 2010 15:37:14 GMT -5
Not just that, but keep in mind that the fairly tame and entirely tasteful sexual content in Mass Effect got "Fox Newsed" pretty heavily.
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Post by derboo on Jul 12, 2010 17:07:12 GMT -5
Isn't Fox News like the TV equivalent to a lunatic standing in the park preaching the end of the world in his underpants?
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Post by Jave on Jul 12, 2010 18:28:06 GMT -5
Nah, they wear pants.
Seriously, though, there's still a large percentage of the - I'll say "North American" en lieu of "Western" - population that are incredibly uptight, and very set in their uptight ways. My neck of the woods has a LOT of catching up to do before the idea of eroge can even be publicly acknowledged to exist.
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Post by kobushi on Jul 12, 2010 19:00:29 GMT -5
There's sex and there's sex though - while Mass Effect features you building up to a consensual sex scene with another adult I've had PC98 games go from "Hey this looks like a neat dungeon crawler" to "She's ramming it WHERE?! o.O" in literally five minutes. Was it Crystal Rinal, by any chance?  I guess that's what happens when Japanese computer geeks write games for other Japanese computer geeks in a completely unregulated environment. In some games, the erotic content is meaningfully integrated into the story, while in others, it's just thrown in there for fun. It's definitely happened to me, too - I'll be sitting next to my wife and say, "Hey, check out this neat old ga--- OH GOD WHAT ARE THEY DOING???!" And then there's 20 minutes of my life gone, fervently promising my wife that I will never, ever buy a dakimakura of Nene Anegasaki or whoever, all while she laughs at me with that look in her eye. Ah, the sacrifices I make for the sake of video game history.  |
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Post by kimimi on Jul 12, 2010 21:39:13 GMT -5
I think the "problem" with covering eroge on the PC98 (and similar niche hardware) is that it's what Westerners tend to focus on anyway, because visual gratification is a lot easier to pass around and earn praise for sharing than trying to explain why some esoteric adventure game has an excellent plot. As such, and excuse the generalisation, most people aren't going to care if you do find a game where the characters actually have a real reason for having sex (and beyond the flimsy excuses of "Your magic semen will save me!"), because the only part of the game they can understand is how hard, how many, and if the hot one get's it in the eye.
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Post by Ganelon on Jul 12, 2010 23:04:47 GMT -5
Sketcz: Are you actually aware of the specifics regarding the PC98? What I mean is, I personally have a PC-9821 with Windows 98 (exactly as mentioned on the Tokugawa forum) and it doesn't appear to be compatible at all with real PC-9801 software (which presumably use the proprietary PC98 DOS OS). Since you're recommending these models, I'm just wondering if there's a special technique to get them working.
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Post by kobushi on Jul 13, 2010 1:00:49 GMT -5
Ganelon,
What are you having problems with? While it's true some games don't work well on PC-9821 hardware, lots of games work flawlessly. Also, many games with compatibility issues had separate PC-9801 and PC-9821 versions released.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Jul 13, 2010 4:29:56 GMT -5
Regarding direct sources, I'd love to speak with Falcom regarding their computer days, when just starting out. their name was a pun on Millennium Falcon, wasn't it? Of course, such an interview would be a huge undertaking, and I'd probably make it a standalone article. Actually, it's probably too big a task for someone such as myself. I'm going to expand everything as requested, but regarding adding extra game reviews, I'm probably going to need some help. I started this topic on Tokugawa's forum: fullmotionvideo.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=801If anyone on here wants to contribute something, it would make my task much easier/faster. I might make it two pages, with the entire second page just mini reviews. EDIT: I have updated the main article. It's now 2 pages and I'm in need of extra images. Click the first page link to have a look. I'll scour Tokugawa, and Kimimi emailed me a lot (PC98 and X68k), but I'd also like PC88, FM Towns and X1 screens, plus anything else obscure. Also, please let me know if the web pages appear funny, I was screwing around with some html to make images smaller in their columns, but am not sure how it looks on other browsers. |
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Post by Ganelon on Jul 13, 2010 9:59:29 GMT -5
Ganelon, What are you having problems with? While it's true some games don't work well on PC-9821 hardware, lots of games work flawlessly. Also, many games with compatibility issues had separate PC-9801 and PC-9821 versions released. There are no executables when the disk is popped in Windows, just data files. I'm assuming this is just how the PC-9801 file structure works but it's not clear what application can be used to run that. And in DOS mode, the disk can't be recognized and produces an Abort/Retry/Fail prompt. It could be a coincidence but I tried ~10 games and they all produced the same error of being unrecognizable. When I originally got the PC-9821, I heard nothing of this, which is why I'm trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong or if all this talk of compatibility is nonsense. I checked for a built-in application that would run PC-9801 file structure but didn't see anything. And I have no interest in playing reformatted games or running emulators. |
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Post by kobushi on Jul 13, 2010 17:07:09 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the PC98 is an old computer, so you have to deal with all the... fun of loading device drivers, freeing up conventional memory, installing games, creating user disks...
This will get off topic fast, so PM me if you want to talk more. As a start, it would be helpful to know:
- the model of your PC-9821
- the specific games you're trying to play (game title, CD or floppy edition, etc.)
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Jul 15, 2010 3:13:36 GMT -5
I'd made a lot of the changes requested here, I just needed to add the mini-reviews and tidy up screenshots, but with the increasing and overwhelming criticism this has been receiving on other forums, I've removed the HTML pages for the time being. After putting so much time into them, I'm feeling a bit burned out at the moment.
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Post by starscream on Jul 15, 2010 8:12:38 GMT -5
You shouldn't really get one guy saying your article sucks get in your head you know. This is the Internet after all.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Jul 15, 2010 8:18:25 GMT -5
I know, and thanks for posting. I'll probably go back and finish this when my motivation returns.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Sept 8, 2010 10:59:48 GMT -5
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