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Post by Super Orbus on Oct 15, 2011 20:56:26 GMT -5
Still need to pick this up. This has been an expensive month already, but this and Persona 2 are definitely on the list for next month. I'm kind of hoping for Black Friday deals. Amazon usually runs tons of deals all through November.
I got the first Persona for cheap that way.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Oct 30, 2011 13:40:13 GMT -5
Someone said you need to play NewGame+ just to experience the full game here... Is this true? Because I don't do NewGame+. It's just not how I roll. Too many games to play as an adult with disposable income; clock it once and on the shelf it goes.
In fact can someone explain how this "second game" scenario nonsense actually works here?
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Post by ves on Oct 30, 2011 14:36:57 GMT -5
Someone said you need to play NewGame+ just to experience the full game here... Is this true? Because I don't do NewGame+. It's just not how I roll. Too many games to play as an adult with disposable income; clock it once and on the shelf it goes. In fact can someone explain how this "second game" scenario nonsense actually works here? :It's not really New Game+, so much as it is the second part of the game. Load up the file and a second storyline will be started, complete with a new opening. The second part is around the same length of the first one (8 hours for each, give or take, at least for me). It's still pretty misleading to roll the credits at the halfway point, however. Although the second scenario is much better, I must admit. Apart from that, one flaw this game has looking back is that most of the side-quests aren't really side-quests seeing as you need to do enough of them to increase one's Hunter Rank, which then allows you to access the story quests. They really are padding although I didn't mind them at the time.
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Post by susanismyalias on Oct 30, 2011 15:00:06 GMT -5
Someone said you need to play NewGame+ just to experience the full game here... Is this true? Because I don't do NewGame+. It's just not how I roll. Too many games to play as an adult with disposable income; clock it once and on the shelf it goes. In fact can someone explain how this "second game" scenario nonsense actually works here? I take it that you did not play nier then?
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Oct 30, 2011 17:12:53 GMT -5
Thanks Ves! I take it that you did not play nier then? Clocked it, was then annoyed at the prospect of having to replay it all again for the proper ending (even if you do start some ways into it 2nd time through), forced myself to play for a bit, but quickly got bored and moved on to something else. Ugh! I just hate the concept of forced NewGame+ out of principle. It's a lazy way of doubling the game length without adding new content - just so you can get a slightly different ending or some nonsense. I appreciate it when a game flat out does not offer any kind of NewGame+. For me that's the developer showing respect to the player: Here's our game, enjoy it, play it again if you like, but you don't have to. When the heck did this whole mentality start anyway? I don't ever recall having to put up with this last generation. Unless I missed the games that tried to pull such shenanigans. EDIT: Actually, I recall the odd arcade and NES game saying something like "play it again" but those games were shorter and repetitive anyway,
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Post by wyrdwad on Oct 30, 2011 17:34:27 GMT -5
Actually, a lot of old games did that. The whole naming of "New Game +" came from Chrono Trigger, and Ghosts & Goblins is the classic example of a game requiring you to play it multiple times to get a true ending.
As Ves said, though... this isn't one of those instances. Simply put, you have not yet finished Solatorobo. (:
-Tom
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 17:36:21 GMT -5
You aren't "required" to play any game at all, let alone twice. If you want to say that it's unfair for a game to force you to play it all the way through twice to get the full experience, that can be annoying, but so what? No one's holding a gun to your head. Go play something else, then come back to it when you're in the mood for that game again.
I do this all the time. Dead Space 2 is a good example. I really don't relish the idea of having to play the entire game three times to earn the difficulty-related Achievements, so I'll go back to it once I'm in the mood to experience that story again. No harm in that. Not like the game is going anywhere.
I can empathize with feeling as though you're wasting your time, though. I just read one of the Dragon Age novels, and now I have this sudden urge to replay both of the DA games in their entirety. This will take something like two months to complete, and the whole time, I won't be making progress on any of the new stuff I'm getting this fall (let alone the old stuff I never got around to). Even so, I'm having fun. Isn't that the point of playing games? The new stuff can wait until I'm ready for it.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Oct 30, 2011 17:39:13 GMT -5
Actually, a lot of old games did that. The whole naming of "New Game +" came from Chrono Trigger, and Ghosts & Goblins is the classic example of a game requiring you to play it multiple times to get a true ending. -Tom Thank you for the explanation, good sir. Rather interesting - as you can tell I've never completed Chrono Trigger. I've tried three times, and the last time was the furthest I've gotten, to where the frog said I must climb a mountain to get a sword. At which point I thought bugger this nonsense, I'd rather play through of Secret of Mana again. Which I did! I'll give Solatorobo the benefit of the first credit roll, and play it by ear after that to see if it holds my interest. You aren't "required" to play any game at all, let alone twice. If you want to say that it's unfair for a game to force you to play it all the way through twice to get the full experience, that can be annoying, but so what? No one's holding a gun to your head. Go play something else, then come back to it when you're in the mood for that game again. Even so, I'm having fun. Isn't that the point of playing games? The new stuff can wait until I'm ready for it. My gripe with NewGame+ is when games hold back cool stuff (items, characters, missions, endings, abilities, etc etc etc), which you can only enjoy by replaying through everything again. If I've just spent 20 hours playing something, I want to have been able to access all the cool stuff through normal play. Imagine for example that when buying the director's cut of a DVD film, you had to first watch the original abridged version before the full director's cut was unlocked. You'd be very annoyed at having to spend 2 hours doing that before you can enjoy it as it was meant to be enjoyed. Same here. Sometimes I feel like I'd rather just have a NewGame+ save file to start with, so I can get the "full experience". Of course my gripe is dependant on how the game handles NewGame+. Some of them don't offer any new content, and merely allow you to replay the old stuff while powered up. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I still hate it. Parasite Eve is another one. I'm not traipsing around New York again just to battle through a randomly generated tower block just to get the true ending. Screw that nonsense. I clocked it, I beat the boss, give me my damned cookie already. Either give me the option of getting the true ending the first time round or I might as well not bother with the game and just watch it on Youtube. Games should be about fun. And they are fun when I know that after turning the power on, the entire game is at my disposal. This complaint about NG+ sits in the same mental box as buyable DLC which already comes on the disc but needs payment to unlock. I just wan to play the game, not be concerned that I've only got access to 80% of it unless I a) complete it first or b) pay more money.
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Post by wyrdwad on Oct 30, 2011 17:56:25 GMT -5
Chrono Trigger handled New Game + extraordinarily well, I thought. I mean, I'm not a fan of replaying games either... but I replayed Chrono Trigger MANY times, solely because there was ALWAYS something new to find, and I could very easily skip anything I'd already seen.
If I were you, I wouldn't hate the concept of New Game +, but rather its execution. Some games do it poorly, whereas others integrate it so cleanly into the core gameplay that you honestly don't feel like you're replaying AT ALL -- you just feel like the game isn't quite over yet, as there's still much more to see and do.
-Tom
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Post by TheGunheart on Oct 30, 2011 18:27:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the thing about Solatrobo is that it's comprised of two acts and simply has a credit sequence at the end of the first. It's a bit like how Ys 1 & 2 are typically packaged these days as the same game.
The game also has a New Game + for when you beat the second act, but all you get are some (very expensive) upgrades for the Dahak that aren't even necessary given the game's difficulty level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 18:35:07 GMT -5
My gripe with NewGame+ is when games hold back cool stuff (items, characters, missions, endings, abilities, etc etc etc), which you can only enjoy by replaying through everything again. If I've just spent 20 hours playing something, I want to have been able to access all the cool stuff through normal play. Imagine for example that when buying the director's cut of a DVD film, you had to first watch the original abridged version before the full director's cut was unlocked. You'd be very annoyed at having to spend 2 hours doing that before you can enjoy it as it was meant to be enjoyed. Same here. Sometimes I feel like I'd rather just have a NewGame+ save file to start with, so I can get the "full experience". Of course my gripe is dependant on how the game handles NewGame+. Some of them don't offer any new content, and merely allow you to replay the old stuff while powered up. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I still hate it. Parasite Eve is another one. I'm not traipsing around New York again just to battle through a randomly generated tower block just to get the true ending. Screw that nonsense. I clocked it, I beat the boss, give me my damned cookie already. Either give me the option of getting the true ending the first time round or I might as well not bother with the game and just watch it on Youtube. Games should be about fun. And they are fun when I know that after turning the power on, the entire game is at my disposal. This complaint about NG+ sits in the same mental box as buyable DLC which already comes on the disc but needs payment to unlock. I just wan to play the game, not be concerned that I've only got access to 80% of it unless I a) complete it first or b) pay more money. What's the problem with just playing it again later? You compare games to movies, and I think it's apt. Just as I get the urge to watch Inception again every now and then, sometimes I want to play Metal Gear Solid 3 for the hundredth time. What's the harm in replaying a game you've already beaten, especially if it has a New Game+ mode attached? It means you're getting new content on the next playthrough. Failing that, you're at least getting access to extra stuff from the start. It's a win / win situation. I understand that it's a pain in the ass to not have access to everything the first time through. Believe me, I'm the mortal enemy of locked-difficulty Achievements, especially when they don't stack. Even so, it's not like I'm hurting for other stuff to play. I'll just put these sorts of games on the shelf until I'm ready to come back to them. Nobody's judging you for not getting 100% on your first run.
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Post by Digitalnametag on Oct 30, 2011 18:41:56 GMT -5
Finally picked this up today along with Atelier Totori.
I'm agree with Sketcz on the New Game + argument here. I generally only beat a game once. If I ever want to play it again I start from scratch to get the whole experience. It is frustrating to be denied content saved for a second play-through, although I rarely complete all of the extra content a game has past the main scenario anyway.
But to totally renege on what I just said Arkham City is tempting me to play through on New Game + mode. It's just such a beautifully polished game and without all those shiny Riddler trophies distracting me...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 18:44:39 GMT -5
Ha! Very true. Every time I replay Arkham Asylum, I tell myself I'm not going to bother with the Riddler stuff. But every time, I always end up thinking, "Batman wouldn't let this asshole get away.". So I round them all up anyway.
I'm still waiting to do my New Game+ on Arkham City, but the idea of being able to skip all the Riddler stuff this time is very, very appealing.
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Post by Digitalnametag on Oct 30, 2011 20:45:16 GMT -5
So about an hour in so far. Getting a very strong Megaman Legends vibe. Looks to be a fun and easy-going game. The graphics are pretty pleasing. Mix of sprites and 3d looks far better here than it does in Dragon Quest IX. Voice quality is decent too especially in the opening animation. It's nice to hear coming off of Megaman ZX Advent which has atrocious voice quality.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Nov 3, 2011 18:06:45 GMT -5
So the story just went from blithe and lighthearted, with a fun suspension of disbelief, to ridiculous and slightly retarded. Ugh.
I'm just going to pretend the second half doesn't exist.
First half: 9/10 Second half: -3/10
Seriously, who the fuck writes this shit? It's like they took the worst that Kojima has ever written and shoehorned it onto the end of something fantastical yet internally coherent, ruining it in the process.
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