|
|
Post by Ryu the Grappler on May 14, 2011 14:13:58 GMT -5
First a racism thread and now a nazism thread? Is the sequel going to be about gay bashing? I learned from Final Fight that beating up transvestites is okay because they're just wannabe-women. |
|
|
|
Post by Discoalucard on May 14, 2011 14:36:51 GMT -5
Because until bin Laden and Al Qaeda came along, Hitler and the Nazis were viewed as the worst human beings in existence, thereby making their murders completely okay.
There are games where you can play as German soldiers, usually war-game type stuff like Panzer General and Daisenryaku.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jave on May 14, 2011 16:02:32 GMT -5
Certain video game characters have a tendency to kill everything in their path, which is usually the point, leaving that aside for the moment, we have aliens, robots, zombies, vaguely foreign terrorists and Nazis all filling the role of things it's okay to kill in very large numbers without having to worry about moral doubt.
|
|
|
|
Post by robertagilmour on May 14, 2011 16:04:59 GMT -5
The problem is that the Nazi soldiers are often seen as pure evil or just comical expendable lifeforms. They were mostly just people going along with something that spoke to their concerns and like a lot of people, didnt think that much about the bigger implications of the movement, because they have a certain security in the crowd and dont have to think too much about what they are doing because lots of other people are doing it.
The thing about Nazis and muslim terrorists or even communists decades ago, is people come to view them as so much of an "other" that they wont be able to see themselves get seduced into a terrible political movement that panders to their irrational concerns as anything wrong. They wont think of those other movements and when someone does compare them to a Nazi, they wont think of a deluded human, they will think of a demonic evil person.
I often get sick of the sheer amount of WW2 history but they say it is important to remember it so it never happens again. But depicting every last Nazi as pure evil really does not help anyone.
Like a lot of people, I have family members who are racist, but do not consider themselves racist, their views change whenever they feel like it and dont try to formulate consistent ethical stances. They are not bad people, but I know that if there was a movement that comforted their ignorance, a lot of them would fall for it, they would not think of Nazis because Nazis are just bad guys in cartoons to them.
Of course, there are numerous films showing real life Nazis that were actually good people and did not like the movement they were a part of. I think some people see Indiana Jones as one of the worst examples of cartoon Nazis who are supposed to be squashed like bugs without any discomfort or thought provoked in the audience. Whether that is fair or not on those films.
|
|
|
|
Post by derboo on May 14, 2011 19:00:16 GMT -5
One video game where Nazi soldiers are depicted as human beings most of the time, while still being the enemy that has to be killed, is Velvet Assassin.
|
|
|
|
Post by wyrdwad on May 14, 2011 20:01:57 GMT -5
Actually, this is the part I disagree with.
I see absolutely no reason why Persona 2 wouldn't fly outside of Japan, and I strongly suspect it WILL, in fact, receive an English release, unedited, after being ported to PSP.
If it doesn't, I will be very disappointed in Atlus.
-Tom
|
|
|
|
Post by Ike on May 14, 2011 20:13:20 GMT -5
Oh, you misunderstand. Today I think it would fly. Ten years ago, I would've had my doubts. I personally have no problem with beating the shit out of Hitler.
|
|
|
|
Post by neomerge on May 14, 2011 21:15:07 GMT -5
delete post
|
|
|
|
Post by Atma on May 14, 2011 22:11:37 GMT -5
I thought video game forum mods were nazis everything I know is a lie  After all this hard work I do geeze |
|
|
|
Post by wyrdwad on May 14, 2011 22:33:41 GMT -5
Please don't. It's because of comments like these that the racism/sexism topic got closed, and that topic had actually managed to stay mature and fun for pages upon pages, without ever once degrading into flames or bad feelings. This topic appears to be following a similar pattern, with everyone having fun and enjoying themselves. I see no reason for a few humorless individuals to put a stop to what's shaping up to be a very good party! -Tom |
|
|
|
Post by X-pert74 on May 14, 2011 22:34:16 GMT -5
First a racism thread and now a nazism thread? Is the sequel going to be about gay bashing? I learned from Final Fight that beating up transvestites is okay because they're just wannabe-women. That explanation always makes me sad  |
|
|
|
Post by derboo on May 14, 2011 22:42:58 GMT -5
Please don't. It's because of comments like these that the racism/sexism topic got closed, and that topic had actually managed to stay mature and fun for pages upon pages, without ever once degrading into flames or bad feelings. This topic appears to be following a similar pattern, with everyone having fun and enjoying themselves. I see no reason for a few humorless individuals to put a stop to what's shaping up to be a very good party! -Tom I think he just posted something he regretted, edited it but doesn't know that he can delete his own posts himself? |
|
|
|
Post by wyrdwad on May 14, 2011 22:50:35 GMT -5
Oh, OK. In that case, my bad! Still, there have been less-than-encouraging comments like this so far: Controversy should not be taboo. We're all mature adults, right? So let's have ourselves a rip-roarin' discussion, littered with the occasional tasteless (but funny!) joke.  (And yes, I'm aware that was a joke, but it comes from a true place, and I'm just paranoid now that any thread that's even REMOTELY controversial will be removed from this board, or locked, or... SOMETHING!) -Tom |
|
|
|
Post by munchy on May 14, 2011 23:01:38 GMT -5
 Your move U.S. Gold!? Damn you, first ruining Capcom's presence on the Game Gear and now this? Anyway, someone already brought up the whole Nazi-references being illegal in Germany and I think that mostly covers it. Though this doesn't seem to stop the seemingly endless parades of WWII themed shooters so what do I know? "I learned from Final Fight that beating up transvestites is okay because they're just wannabe-women. " Wasn't there a level in Captain Commando with robot transvestites or something? |
|
|
|
Post by derboo on May 14, 2011 23:48:18 GMT -5
Anyway, someone already brought up the whole Nazi-references being illegal in Germany and I think that mostly covers it. Though this doesn't seem to stop the seemingly endless parades of WWII themed shooters so what do I know? The German market isn't nearly important enough. It was for that one Indiana Jones game, but that was a point&click adventure. Also, Nazi references are not a problem - Nazi symbolism is. As long as you edit out all the swastikas and runes, you can get away with a lot, as Velvet Assassin did, which was actually made by a German developer. |
|
After all this hard work I do geeze
