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Post by vetus on Nov 29, 2012 19:06:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I know this is ooooooooooold news and this topic seems pointless for some of you but still there are lots of people who even today they believe the rumor about Shigeru Miyamoto's infamous quote for Donkey Kong Country being mediocre (I was one of these people). To be more exactly, he was supposed to told on an interview with Electronic Games that "Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good". www.1up.com/features/year-monkey?pager.offset=2And this quote is still on Wikipedia's entry about DKC. However recently I learned from a thread in Neogaf that he really likes DKC since he was involved a lot at its creation. www.nintendolife.com/news/2010/06/turns_out_shigeru_miyamoto_does_like_donkey_kong_countryAfter a little search at Google I found another interview that it mention that he likes DKC. www.nintendolife.com/news/2010/06/turns_out_shigeru_miyamoto_does_like_donkey_kong_countryPersonally I believe that the quote he said at Electronic Games maybe it wasn't a rumor after all and that he said it because of the pressure he felt from Nintendo to make Yoshi's Island's graphics looks like DKC, something that he was opposed to. And after years its seems that he regret for this infamous quote. |
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Post by ReyVGM on Nov 29, 2012 19:16:32 GMT -5
Yeah, that's old, but people still cling to that statement. I fixed the wikipedia page now, hopefully some wikinazi doesn't delete it claiming that the source is not notable enough or something.
It's easier to fool people than convincing them that they have been fooled.
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Post by roushimsx on Nov 29, 2012 20:06:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I know this is ooooooooooold news and this topic seems pointless for some of you but still there are lots of people who even today they believe the rumor about Shigeru Miyamoto's infamous quote for Donkey Kong Country being mediocre (I was one of these people). To be more exactly, he was supposed to told on an interview with Electronic Games that "Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good" You'd think that someone would have scanned that interview in at some point. Does anyone have the specific issue in question that everyone keeps quoting to see if it actually happened and/or was just taken completely out of context? edit - and the source seems to generally be given as "Electronic Games". Is there any chance that perhaps it's supposed to be "Electronic Games Monthly"? Most of those have been scanned in and are in circulation around the internets if anyone feels up to scrubbing through one or two dozen issues to be sure. edit edit - The quote says that it was in Electronic Games a year after Donkey Kong Country was released, which would be tough to do since DKC came out in 1994, which was the same year that the second run of Electronic Games ceased publication. So if there was anything from '95, it'd have to be Electronic Gaming Monthly. A little more hunting required just to 100% disprove that it ever occurred! |
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Nov 29, 2012 21:09:03 GMT -5
Electronic Games seems to had been a real U.S.-based gaming magazine (never heard of them until this thread), but they were discontinued in 1994. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_GamesEither way, the quote is bullshit since Miyamoto worked on DKC. I remember seeing photographs of him posing with the Rare staff during the game's development in magazines such as EGM and Game Players. People just parrot everything they read online without bothering to check it up themselves. |
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Post by vetus on Nov 30, 2012 0:39:10 GMT -5
Yeah, that's old, but people still cling to that statement. I fixed the wikipedia page now, hopefully some wikinazi doesn't delete it claiming that the source is not notable enough or something. I was about to edit the entry but I wanted to confirm that Miyamoto's quote was bullshit indeed. And as it looks it is. Thanks all of you for giving me your lights.  |
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Post by vnisanian2001 on Nov 30, 2012 13:02:16 GMT -5
I like all DKC games. Each of the two sequels were that much better than the one before it.
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Post by retr0gamer on Nov 30, 2012 13:13:22 GMT -5
I'd more believe the first quote to be honest. The first one was from Shigeru Miyamoto the producer who was probably a bit miffed that a game wasn't as well designed as his output by a bunch of outsiders was taking all the limelight and was the game that finally helped the SNES pull ahead of the Genesis. Back in those days you the industry wasn't as closed shop and you didn't have to guard your words as carefully.
The latest quote is from Shigeru Miyamoto the PR face of Nintendo promoting the spiritual successor to said game. He's hardly going to say that the game he is trying to promote is based on games that he didn't really care for.
Also from interviews with Rare Shigeru Miyamoto definitely visited and gave advice but they say it was very much a Rare product with very little nintendo input.
There's a lot more to consider and there's really no definitive answer especially with Nintendo being the japanese company they are and how they hate candid interviews with their employees.
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Post by roushimsx on Nov 30, 2012 13:41:01 GMT -5
I'd more believe the first quote to be honest. The first one was from Shigeru Miyamoto the producer who was probably a bit miffed that a game wasn't as well designed as his output by a bunch of outsiders was taking all the limelight and was the game that finally helped the SNES pull ahead of the Genesis. Back in those days you the industry wasn't as closed shop and you didn't have to guard your words as carefully. I'd be more inclined to believe the quote if it was actually documented anywhere, but so far the only citation I've found was for a magazine that didn't exist. A local friend of mine has the entire set of EGM from 1995, so I'm going to try to see if I can read through those this weekend (only found two issues on RetroMags and not sure if anyone else was working on them?), but I'm tentatively calling bullshit until someone can produce some actual evidence. |
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Post by ReyVGM on Nov 30, 2012 13:46:16 GMT -5
Problem is the quote is not from an EGM, it's from an Electronic Games, which died in 1994. My guess is that the original quote is just a mistranslation. It has happened lots of times before.
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Post by roushimsx on Nov 30, 2012 13:51:42 GMT -5
Problem is the quote is not from an EGM, it's from an Electronic Games, which died in 1994. My guess is that the original quote is just a mistranslation. It has happened lots of times before. The 1up article referenced says that the quote appeared a year after the game came out, which is why I'm thinking they said Electronic Games when they meant to say EGM or something similar. People getting confused over similarly sounding magazine titles from around the same era a decade+ after the fact. I think one of the last issues of the second run of Electronic Games had some coverage of Donkey Kong Country, but I highly doubt they'd have anything critical of it given the style of games journalism of the time and the critical reception the game received. ...but just to be safe, I think it'd be prudent to review the EGMs from 1995 just to rule that out (in the event that the author for the 1UP article simply made a typo or misremembered the title of the magazine that had the interview). Still, it's sounding more and more like outright bullshit the more I dig through stuff. Like, not even a mistranslation, more like it flat out never happened. |
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Post by ReyVGM on Nov 30, 2012 14:20:42 GMT -5
1up and EGM pretty much shared the same staff and background, so I doubt they misnamed their own magazine.
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Post by derboo on Nov 30, 2012 14:56:09 GMT -5
The article is by Chris Kohler and gives his email at the end. In case you find nothing, you could ask him whether he remembers specifics.
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Post by roushimsx on Nov 30, 2012 15:11:50 GMT -5
1up and EGM pretty much shared the same staff and background, so I doubt they misnamed their own magazine. Well aware. Considering the lore started beforehand, it could have been someone else that misremembered it and 1UP just parroted that. Either way, still digging since, you know, it never hurts to actually verify that it's bullshit. |
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Post by ReyVGM on Nov 30, 2012 16:23:19 GMT -5
That email is probably outdated. This is the most current one:
wiredkohler@gmail.com
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Post by shelverton on Nov 30, 2012 16:42:44 GMT -5
Maybe it's already been mentioned now, but didn't Shigeru design how Donkey Kong was gonna look in DKC (pretty faithful to his original design) but then someone decided that DK needed a "cooler" look, and they scrapped Shigerus version altogether? Something like that. I could see him getting annoyed by that. But I could also see other people THINKING that he would be annoyed by that.
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