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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 0:44:42 GMT -5
I think it's not so much that Saturn didn't have enough good games, but rather that Sega of America didn't release nearly enough good Japanese games overseas.
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Post by Feynman on Aug 31, 2014 0:57:52 GMT -5
I think it's not so much that Saturn didn't have enough good games, but rather that Sega of America didn't release nearly enough good Japanese games overseas. This. The Sega Saturn has a incredible amount of amazing games in a huge variety of genres. Not only does it have many excellent exclusives, but usually multiplatform 2D games are significantly better on the Saturn than the PlayStation. If you go by only localized western releases, the Saturn's lineup is relatively sparse, but if you start to include import games (action, fighting, and shmup games have little to no language barrier) it has an incredibly kickass library. For those for whom the Japanese language is not a barrier, the Saturn's library expands even more. It's 2D gaming paradise, and the Saturn offers many excellent 3D titles as well. Due to the stronger 2D action game and RPG selection I actually prefer the Saturn's libary over the Dreamcast's. It's a hugely underrated system.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Aug 31, 2014 1:11:20 GMT -5
The Master System is my personal favourite, but all things considered, I think that the Mega Drive comes out on top, narrowly beating the Dreamcast, which was also a fantastic system. The Saturn could have been awesome, but due to its oddly complicated architecture it was difficult to create games that utilized its full potential. A shame, really. It's still a neat system to collect for though. Nice to see some SMS appreciation. It had a much better selection of games than people give it credit for. It's the system that housed the best versions of Fantasy Zone 1 & 2. Opa-Opa forever!
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Post by Terrifying on Aug 31, 2014 2:03:19 GMT -5
The Sega Saturn has a incredible amount of amazing games in a huge variety of genres. Not only does it have many excellent exclusives, but usually multiplatform 2D games are significantly better on the Saturn than the PlayStation. If you go by only localized western releases, the Saturn's lineup is relatively sparse, but if you start to include import games (action, fighting, and shmup games have little to no language barrier) it has an incredibly kickass library. For those for whom the Japanese language is not a barrier, the Saturn's library expands even more. It's 2D gaming paradise, and the Saturn offers many excellent 3D titles as well. Due to the stronger 2D action game and RPG selection I actually prefer the Saturn's libary over the Dreamcast's. It's a hugely underrated system. I hugely regret not getting a Saturn, especially after reading the Console Wars book. It's always some talk after the fact, but damn... Virtua Fighter Remix, DoDonPachi, Burning Rangers, Radiant Silvergun, Thunder Force V, Albert Odyssey, Princess Crown, Panzer Dragoon, Clockwork Knight 1 and 2, Bug, Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete, Elevator Action Returns, Dungeons & Dragons Collection, etc. etc.
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Post by geishaboy on Aug 31, 2014 4:19:59 GMT -5
I think it's not so much that Saturn didn't have enough good games, but rather that Sega of America didn't release nearly enough good Japanese games overseas. This. The Sega Saturn has a incredible amount of amazing games in a huge variety of genres. Not only does it have many excellent exclusives, but usually multiplatform 2D games are significantly better on the Saturn than the PlayStation. If you go by only localized western releases, the Saturn's lineup is relatively sparse, but if you start to include import games (action, fighting, and shmup games have little to no language barrier) it has an incredibly kickass library. For those for whom the Japanese language is not a barrier, the Saturn's library expands even more. It's 2D gaming paradise, and the Saturn offers many excellent 3D titles as well. Due to the stronger 2D action game and RPG selection I actually prefer the Saturn's libary over the Dreamcast's. It's a hugely underrated system. It's true. I live in Japan and speak Japanese, so I'm spoilt when it comes to the Saturn and its library. I actually own two consoles in case the first one ever breaks down. While you've hit the nail right on the head, the same true for most Sony and Sega consoles. The library of Japanese only games is awesome, especially RPGs and Shmups, as well as visual novels and Majong titles (I loves me some Mahjong). But it's not just the Saturn, the same can be said for all Japanese consoles right up to the PS2. While the overly complicated hardware profile of the Saturn stopped it from really reaching its potential as a console, like you said, it is a 2D gaming paradise. It would have done a lot better if it wasn't for the market pushing 3D graphics as being better than 2D (which isn't always true) and if they took a chance on localising more Japanese titles for the west. Oh well, at least we now have an awesome back catalogue of Saturn games to sift through.
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Post by PooshhMao on Aug 31, 2014 11:12:23 GMT -5
Genesis/MegaDrive or Dreamcast? I'm unable to choose, all things considered. Or maybe you're a SG-1000 guy or a GameGear man? ...Seriously, I hope to see some Saturn love. SEGA had one of the greatest hardware saga of all time. Which one really was the awesomest, I mean, besides the tie between the MD and the Dreamcast? Sega's best system would be the Mega Drive/Genesis. Of course. It had plenty of excellent exclusives, including some of what I consider the best games of all time. I used to love the Saturn because it did 2D arcade ports so well, but MAME made that machine almost completely obsolete. I like the Dreamcast a lot too aside from the uncomfortable controller. It deserved to be Sega's next Mega Drive, they did a lot of things right with that system. If only it was given a fair chance in the marketplace.
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Post by r0ck3rz on Aug 31, 2014 11:22:29 GMT -5
Genesis all the way. It's effectively the reason video games are as expansive as they are now, with a competitive market. Though I suppose NEC holds that role for Japan.
Anyway, we really don't know how the Dreamcast would have fared if Sega had the finances to go all the way through the 6th generation either.
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Post by Scylla on Aug 31, 2014 14:49:45 GMT -5
I'd probably go with the Genesis, although if I allowed myself to get in the Saturn more (namely its Japanese library), I have a feeling that may surpass it. But the Genesis has a whole bunch of great stuff and I have a soft spot for the Sega CD too.
The intense passion that people have for the Dreamcast is something I've never been able to understand. I don't dislike the system, but there's honestly not a whole heck of a lot that interests me on it so it's something I extremely rarely play. The US library for it is pretty weak, in my opinion. It's small (I think it got close to the same number of releases as the Sega CD?), a sizable chunk consists of licensed garbage shovelware, and a lot of the games that are often brought up as the must-haves like the Sonic Adventure games and Crazy Taxi and such, while not bad, are pretty solidly ehhh in my book. Couldn't care less about the fighters on the system either because a lot of the ports are so-so (I've got a Neo Geo; I'm not gonna waste my time on sub-par versions), and the Dreamcast controller is so bloody awful (in particular its wretched d-pad) that fighters are nigh unplayable to me.
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Post by muteKi on Aug 31, 2014 16:32:36 GMT -5
The one thing about the Genesis -- I can include the Sega CD and 32X libraries in judging it. The other thing -- it doesn't have a fucking convex control stick
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Post by collinzo on Aug 31, 2014 18:25:09 GMT -5
I never owned a Dreamcast, and didn't really play any games on any of my friends DCs for a healthy enough amount of time, so don't really have a valid opinion of the machine.. I took a wait and see approach to the DC... I owned a master system, megadrive, 32X, Mega CD and Saturn... Pretty much had complete libraries for the MCD and 32X and owned and/or played a very respectable pecentage of the SMS/MD libraries. Owned 147 Saturn games at one point or another, including some rarer stuff like psychic assasin (I sold it for peanuts!) and Panzer Dragoon Saga (also sold that for peanuts) Unsure if the MD and it's add on count as one console or not.. I'm going to be a puss here and say I can't choose.. I got the SMS when I was 13 or so.. Megadrive when I was 15 and the each console/add-on as they were released.. Each one came at the 'right' time, for me at least, with games that satiated my gaming needs at that time too.. Each console kinda seagued into each other for me and gave me real pleasure and some memorable gaming moments.. so which console?? I can't say Segas console just grew up and got different clothing as I grew up..
I will say though that Gunstar Heroes is the best game EVER!
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Aug 31, 2014 18:30:52 GMT -5
I'd have to say Mega Drive/Genesis since that's where all the characters, settings and music I grew up with and still care the most about are, while the games also hold up better in general than on SMS (my first console). Sega lost a lot of brand continuity with the Saturn (No SoR, Sonic, Monster World, Phantasy Star or Toejam & Earl, Shinobi got cheesy, etc.) which was part of why I skipped it back in the day. In retrospect it's still great though with one of the best controllers made, tons of good 2D games (imports) and a few 3D gems as well like Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Saga, Sega Rally and Bulk Slash.
Haven't explored enough of the Dreamcast library to really comment on it, but I do like how the console and boxes look. Only played these games so far: Soul Calibur, Typing of the Dead, Chu Chu Rocket, Rez - Great games Sonic Adventure - A bit of a let down JSR - I'd love it if it had better controls Crazy Taxi, Cannon Spike, Magnetic Neo, Virtua Tennis, Metropolis Street Racer - Pretty solid
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Post by PooshhMao on Aug 31, 2014 19:09:28 GMT -5
Dreamcast, and I will slap anyone who says differently. The Dreamcast is not Sega's best console. It's a great gaming machine for sure, and it sure did try during it's short commercial life. The Mega Drive existed for two whole years before Sonic happened. Your mileage may vary, but I remember feeling underwhelmed when I played any of Sega's arcade ports. In some aspects, it couldn't even live up to the Amiga, which was already half a decade old at that time. Later, the system got Sega much-needed third party support, and even awesome installments in what people typically consider Nintendo franchises (Contra, Castlevania, Mega Man). The Dreamcast had great third-party support out of the gate. It did nearly everything right, except last long enough to convince mainstream gamers that it really was a system to be reckoned with and developers that there was money to be made in that market.
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Post by Allie on Aug 31, 2014 19:16:35 GMT -5
It's the Saturn.
Not just for obscurity/purist cred, but because it is what it is.
It handled CPS-2 and Neo-Geo ports amazingly (even if it needed expansion carts to do so), and even if the 3D games were ugly in one way or another (especially looking at you, Daytona USA), they still played well.
The Saturn's legend is only enhanced by how difficult it is to emulate well. Sure, you can play Legend of Oasis, Clockwork Knight, Dragon Force, etc..., but pretty much anybody is going to sneer on you about how it isn't the same.
Especially when it comes to games like Last Gladiators or Necronomicon, where it's obvious where the emulation has minor graphical issues.
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Post by PooshhMao on Aug 31, 2014 19:22:16 GMT -5
The Master System is my personal favourite. That's just nostalgia speaking. Personally, I find there's little gameplay on the system worth suffering the sound for.
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Post by Sturat on Aug 31, 2014 19:41:09 GMT -5
The Master System is my personal favourite. That's just nostalgia speaking. Personally, I find there's little gameplay on the system worth suffering the sound for. I generally prefer the music in Master System games over Genesis games, and Master System sound effects are way better.
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