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Xenogears
Apr 18, 2015 2:40:45 GMT -5
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Post by Ike on Apr 18, 2015 2:40:45 GMT -5
Xenoblade Chronicles has nothing at all to do with any other Xeno games. XBC2 on the other hand looks way more in line with the other games.
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Post by Échalote on Apr 18, 2015 3:22:00 GMT -5
While Blade does not try as hard as Saga to be Gears (look! the zohar/elly/abel!), it is in the continuity of the latter, hell, some plotpoints of Blade are pretty much ripped-off from Gears/Saga.
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Post by hudakj on Apr 18, 2015 4:12:04 GMT -5
Yes, Xenoblade could be in the continuity somewhere. While not a sequel/spin-off much at all, it's still one of those "spiritual successors" that kinda, sorta make it part of the series.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 13:30:40 GMT -5
No official connections between -blade and -gears/-saga aside from some references to the rest of the Xeno-series that astute fans might catch.
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Xenogears
Apr 20, 2015 14:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by Weasel on Apr 20, 2015 14:24:57 GMT -5
I thought Gears was supposed to be "episode five" of a larger saga, initially. Might have been my own misunderstanding, or perhaps a fan site's speculation.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Apr 20, 2015 14:27:53 GMT -5
I thought Gears was supposed to be "episode five" of a larger saga, initially. Might have been my own misunderstanding, or perhaps a fan site's speculation. I haven't read the translation of it but there were some notes on the other episodes in that design materials book or whatever it was called, I'd heard from a couple people that there were some similarities/ties between what they talked about in that with what happened in Xenosaga, although don't quote me on that.
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Post by Discoalucard on Apr 20, 2015 15:35:51 GMT -5
I thought Gears was supposed to be "episode five" of a larger saga, initially. Might have been my own misunderstanding, or perhaps a fan site's speculation. Somewhere in Xenogears (I think it's the end credits) indicates that it's "Episode 5", sort of like how Star Wars: The New Hope was "Episode IV". I suppose this is spoiling the story to a large degree, but the character Fei (and many others) have been reincarnated many times. You get brief glimpses into their previous lives on a few occasions. The Xenogears Perfect Works book, I believe, goes into much greater detail. When Xenosaga was first announced, there was an assumption that this would fill in all of the previous episodes, with Xenogears fitting in as the "fifth" game, and then one final sequel to round out the proposed six episodes. For numerous reasons, the Saga series could not be technically connected with the Gears series, not to mention that the series did not sell up to Namco's expectation so it was cut down from six games to three.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 5:49:28 GMT -5
Which is fine, because anyone who's actually slogged through all three Saga games can attest to the fact that they FEEL like six games worth of content.
Not bitter. Not at all.
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Post by kikujade on Sept 21, 2016 16:15:34 GMT -5
It's quite irritating to see a beloved game being slandered, specially when the reviewer chooses to pass an opinion as fact, even when there's so much evidence to the contrary: "From the beginning to the end it's obvious that the creators of Xenogears where heavily inspired by Neon Genesis Evangelion. Some of the similarities between the two include the use of christian and gnostic themes, references to German philosophers (although while Evangelion borrowed some of its ideas from Schopenhauer, Xenogears seems to prefer Nietzsche)," This is a common accusation/criticism to the plot of Xenogears, in spite of the game's plot having been written in 1994, about a year before Evangelion first aired in japan. Additionally, Soraya Saga also denied having any Evangelion influence on an interview, but I haven't been able to find it online, I'm sure it will turn up eventually, but in the mean time, this rumour is thoroughly analyzed and debunked here: betweenlifeandgames.com/analyses/history-xenogears-xenosaga-part-1-xenogears/
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Post by Weasel on Sept 21, 2016 21:01:00 GMT -5
Welcome to the forums. I understand you have some issues to bring up with the article...but accusing us of slander? Isn't that a little extreme?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 21:06:06 GMT -5
It's quite irritating to see a beloved game being slandered, specially when the reviewer chooses to pass an opinion as fact, even when there's so much evidence to the contrary: "From the beginning to the end it's obvious that the creators of Xenogears where heavily inspired by Neon Genesis Evangelion. Some of the similarities between the two include the use of christian and gnostic themes, references to German philosophers (although while Evangelion borrowed some of its ideas from Schopenhauer, Xenogears seems to prefer Nietzsche)," This is a common accusation/criticism to the plot of Xenogears, in spite of the game's plot having been written in 1994, about a year before Evangelion first aired in japan. Additionally, Soraya Saga also denied having any Evangelion influence on an interview, but I haven't been able to find it online, I'm sure it will turn up eventually, but in the mean time, this rumour is thoroughly analyzed and debunked here: betweenlifeandgames.com/analyses/history-xenogears-xenosaga-part-1-xenogears/Aren't ALL reviews based ultimately upon opinions and not facts? There is no such thing as a completely unbiased review.
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Xenogears
Sept 21, 2016 21:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by kikujade on Sept 21, 2016 21:46:12 GMT -5
Welcome to the forums. I understand you have some issues to bring up with the article...but accusing us of slander? Isn't that a little extreme? I apologize, I didn't mean to be rude, I know it's unconstructive and heinous. I actually rewrote my post several times to tone down my message. If you wish, I will edit the slander part.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 21, 2016 22:59:41 GMT -5
I started reading that write-up, and while it seems interesting, it's one of those debates that really misses the forest for the trees. Yes, when you start comparing individual screws and bolts, Xenogears and Evangelion are pretty different - one definitely doesn't completely clone the other. But both have mecha and both have a major focus on religion, particularly misuse of Christian iconography. These aren't exactly common themes to have together, and I have a hard time believing that one didn't influence the other, at least on some level, especially given its massive popularity. I think it might be worth adding to our review that Saga claims she wasn't inspired by Eva...but a cursory Google doesn't show any other source for this claim beyond your link.
I wouldn't call it slander though, there's basically an Evangelion thread over in the Off Topic forum and most everyone there thinks it's pretty interesting, if not always fantastic. The comparison presented here isn't used as a derogative, even though I have heard the snarkier side of the internet refer to it as "Evangelion fan fiction", which I don't really agree with.
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Post by Amelia on Sept 21, 2016 23:07:11 GMT -5
Reviews are subjective, but they shouldn't include false information. It's reasonable to speculate about influences, but the truth about them isn't subjective. For an extreme example, it wouldn't make sense to write Xenoblade inspired Xenogears.
Kikujade is saying that the claim about NGE obviously inspiring Xenogears is wrong. We don't know everything about the development, so it's still possible that some aspects of the game were inspired by NGE, and the similarities are noteworthy. However, I think the information in the link is interesting and adds more context. The article might be improved by mentioning things like when the story was written or the similarities coming from common cited inspirations like Childhood's End.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 21, 2016 23:15:03 GMT -5
First off you were coming closer to slander. You can't slander Xenogears. It doesn't have feelings or an opinion.
But, I can almost believe it. I mean Evangelion used the names more as names. Just something cool to call it's stuff. Xenogears and -saga do tend to try to tie it's objects and characters to their namesakes. And it's still a goddamn mess for it. Because as I go in my life. Xenogears doesn't sit well in mind. Or the first two Xenosagas. The Third game is so much fucking fun, so it gets a pass. It kind of makes me mad it has to be tied to the first two games.
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