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Post by wyrdwad on Sept 14, 2009 0:56:51 GMT -5
Is that in regards to the Hatsune Miku article? If so, the issue wasn't that grammar/spelling fixes are unnecessary or trivial, but that one suggested grammar fix in particular was very "debatable" as to whether or not it was actually necessary, and I was arguing that in cases like that, it should be up to the original author whether or not to change it.
-Tom
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Post by crithit5000 on Sept 14, 2009 1:55:14 GMT -5
No, I wasn't involved with that discussion at all. I do agree that the original author should always have the say so on more major changes, though.
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Post by Atma on Sept 14, 2009 2:12:06 GMT -5
No, I wasn't involved with that discussion at all. I do agree that the original author should always have the say so on more major changes, though. The fact you respect this makes me say you can proofread the hell out of anything I write anytime.
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Post by Ace Whatever on Sept 14, 2009 6:52:33 GMT -5
Somebody else made a big deal about it, saying it was basically along the lines of taking the author's original voice away from the article trying to fix things like that. Plus it was stated by said person that this was all trivial and very, very unnecessary. It wasn't the Project Diva article but I know what you're talking about. And either way both were cases of the resident alarmist doing his best banshee impression and should never detract from your grammar correction efforts.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 14, 2009 7:08:54 GMT -5
I always appreciate it. Thanks again!
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Post by Jave on Sept 14, 2009 10:04:33 GMT -5
LOL! ;D Hey, if it clears up any confusion, I'll gladly take credit!
edit... and @ crithit5000, so long as the author is cool with it, fix away. Self-proofing can only get you so far; eventually, we all need an outside perspective.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Sept 14, 2009 13:38:11 GMT -5
Considering this is one of my FAVORITE GAMES EVER (I am totally serious) You're my new special friend for the day. Anyway, wow, bitch, bitch, bitch. Why is there so much anger on the internet? I too like the article, despite some typos, and the political commentary is fine - it's so mild I can't imagine why anyone would get angry. ZZZ sounds like NightWolve when he starts ranting against communism on various forums - no offence intended, I just think your reaction is a little too intense. It doesn't need heavy editing, just mild massaging - I found the bit about Tom Zito not being allowed to speak interesting and worth stating. Anyway, a good article that with a little tidying up would be a really fantastic article. I love all the details like number of endings etc. A lot of love went into the feature, and I love the fact that he "gets it". Night Trap is a lot of fun to play. Any chance you could give add mini-biogs of the actors, like what they're doing now (I'm guessing IMDB might help). Did you make use of the Retro Gamer Making Of article they had a while back? I'm not sure of the issue number, and I don't think I have it... But you should track down some scans if you've not read it - might give some juicy details. The Ultimatye History of Videogames book also has a lot of good quotes from Tom Zito. I think quotes from those behind it would be good, even if they're taken from other publications. Some minor corrections I jotted down: Opening has a few grammatical errors. I rewrote it here: Fulop needs capitalisation in para 3. Also, plenty of sentences need caps at the start! Wasn't Dragon's Lair the first FMV game, technically?
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Post by zzz on Sept 15, 2009 18:59:57 GMT -5
Y'know, my beef with this article was really always about the quality of the writing, and specifically as it relates to a larger problem on this site. What's with the trend in the last year or so of injecting totally unrelated commentary into HG101 articles? This article does it and so does this one, and in both cases it throws off the focus of the article, from which their overall tone never really recovers. There are obviously others, too. Does anyone honestly believe that this kind of self-indulgence belongs in video game journalism? I'd argue that this is really what's wrong with games journalism in general. I mean, this is the kinda stuff that Tim Rogers writes. Do you really wanna be one of those guys? And before anyone says that's an absurd comparison to make, ask yourself one question: Why are we even writing articles in the first place? Is it to show off to each other or is it for the readers' sake? Here's a novel idea: How about staying on topic? I know it's a revolutionary idea in this day and age that game journalism should actually be about video games, but I don't think it would hurt anyone if we gave it a shot.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 15, 2009 19:44:10 GMT -5
^ | | This post has such a narrow and shallow view of "video game journalism" that I'm not even going to bother quoting it. If you think video games exist in some kind of bubble and don't have any effect on - or are affected by - society at large, then I would suggest some fresh air, perhaps. Of course it deserves commentary.
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Post by Jave on Sept 15, 2009 19:50:26 GMT -5
I have nothing against staying on topic, but some points:
1 - I can't speak for everyone here, but I, for one, and not a game journalist, or a journalist of any kind for that matter. 2 - Okay, so I asked myself that one question and I'm still seeing a large leap from side commentary to Tim Rogers. I write these articles primarily as a fan, but the way I consider the reader is by at least trying to make what I write interesting. If some off topic banter is what it takes to spruce up a dry read, then how is that bad for the reader?
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Post by zzz on Sept 15, 2009 20:09:48 GMT -5
^ | | This post has such a narrow and shallow view of "video game journalism" that I'm not even going to bother quoting it. You're apparently not going to bother trying to refute it either. If you think video games exist in some kind of bubble and don't have any effect on - or are affected by - society at large, then I would suggest some fresh air, perhaps. Of course it deserves commentary. If you honestly believe this then you have lost touch with reality. People who think like this have spent waaay too much time playing video games.
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Post by Atma on Sept 15, 2009 20:12:02 GMT -5
Something tells me zzz is really not going to like what I'm doing with my Xeno article, but tough shit.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 15, 2009 20:19:43 GMT -5
I've had enough of this crap. It's clear that you're just arguing for the sake of being an idiot. Enjoy your vacation.
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Post by kal on Sept 15, 2009 21:02:04 GMT -5
Did he seriously say that video games, which have been interconnected with popular culture since atari first hit it big with pong (and we can track pinball back further and then take it back to classic board games), have no relevance outside of themselves. Night Trap was one of the key offenders in the "Video Games are Corrupting our youth" trend in the late 80's early 90's :/ It's a nice article big fan of Night Trap so very happy to see it on the site. It's notorious for the amount of press the game garnered over nothing and that needs to be reflected in the article. >_> <_<
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Post by Ganelon on Sept 15, 2009 21:05:07 GMT -5
Wow, I hope it's just temporary. Sure, zzz is pretty unreasonable sometimes and I disagree with a lot of what he says but at least he's not hateful and has contributed lots of nice stuff.
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