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Post by Neo Rasa on Nov 30, 2014 20:14:08 GMT -5
More like zelda fanboys take retarded to a new level. Talking about Zelda nowadays and you'd think the games are all about the puzzles that get more generic with each game. Zelda fans also seem to be in denial of the fact that there hasn't been a great Zelda game since Wind Waker. I think Link Between Worlds is great though. Hyrule Warriors also, like, somehow is one of the best ____ Warriors games ever made, Omega Force/Team Ninja somehow did an incredible job on it. All DLC they released gives a ton of content for the money too which is surprising for anything Omega Force is involved in.
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Post by kingfossil on Nov 30, 2014 20:50:19 GMT -5
Zelda fans also seem to be in denial of the fact that there hasn't been a great Zelda game since Wind Waker. I think Link Between Worlds is great though. Hyrule Warriors also, like, somehow is one of the best ____ Warriors games ever made, Omega Force/Team Ninja somehow did an incredible job on it. All DLC they released gives a ton of content for the money too which is surprising for anything Omega Force is involved in. If only Koei had such responsability to deliver a good game with the hokuto musou games....
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Post by moran on Nov 30, 2014 21:06:14 GMT -5
More like zelda fanboys take retarded to a new level. Talking about Zelda nowadays and you'd think the games are all about the puzzles that get more generic with each game. Zelda fans also seem to be in denial of the fact that there hasn't been a great Zelda game since Wind Waker. And that WW only seems great due to the piss poor games that followed.
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Post by Neo Rasa on Nov 30, 2014 21:07:34 GMT -5
I think Link Between Worlds is great though. Hyrule Warriors also, like, somehow is one of the best ____ Warriors games ever made, Omega Force/Team Ninja somehow did an incredible job on it. All DLC they released gives a ton of content for the money too which is surprising for anything Omega Force is involved in. If only Koei had such responsability to deliver a good game with the hokuto musou games.... Oh man don't even lol. Ken's Rage 2 was actually not that bad but I still can't believe how terrible and cheaply made the first one is.
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Post by drpepperfan on Nov 30, 2014 21:54:32 GMT -5
is there a way to unsub from a topic
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Post by Weasel on Nov 30, 2014 21:57:12 GMT -5
is there a way to unsub from a topic Is it in the Actions menu at the top?
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Post by kingfossil on Nov 30, 2014 22:07:34 GMT -5
I agree, people talk as if the first game was vastly superior and that the speed-up of the second was to cater to the koei fanbase, when actually the first game was the same thing except slow to the point where a menial task like defeating 50 enemies seems like a chore.
That being said neither of them are barely good, not even to hardcore fans of the series. Platinum games would had been a fitting developer for the franchise tough (MG:revengeance with all the slicing into bits felt more like a hokuto no ken game) For now, stick to the fighting game.
Back on topic, my initial dislike for WW was the lack of challenge regarding the bosses and dungeons, the constant usage of the wind waker on later dungeons and specially for each time you want to change the wind (The long distances between islands is NOTHING compared to change wind directiong so many times)
But I forgive it because at least it keeps the exploration meaningfull for the most part, with each mini dungeon on each island's rabbit hole being more interesting than the main dungeons, lol. That and the plot is much more mature when compared to twilight princess which ironically was the game trying to be dark (hint: putting weird cutscenes that dont fit the plot dont help the game be darker)
I get the feeling that people who liked the good zelda games might also like the King's Field games
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Post by Neo Rasa on Nov 30, 2014 23:03:19 GMT -5
I do love every King's Field game a lot hehee. Wind Waker is one of my favorite Zelda games also because you get to actually explore a lot. I love the grid map because it's like the first Zelda where you know going in that each square has something on it to find.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 1, 2014 4:22:18 GMT -5
Zelda fans also seem to be in denial of the fact that there hasn't been a great Zelda game since Wind Waker. I think Link Between Worlds is great though. Hyrule Warriors also, like, somehow is one of the best ____ Warriors games ever made, Omega Force/Team Ninja somehow did an incredible job on it. All DLC they released gives a ton of content for the money too which is surprising for anything Omega Force is involved in. Hey, I'm not gonna say there haven't been any good Zelda games since, but there hasn't been a truly great one that brought the series forward in a significant way since Wind Waker, I have not played Link Between Worlds, but I did like Minish Cap a lot, however those throwback spinoffs to me are different because how hard can it be to make a good throwback Zelda? Zelda fans also seem to be in denial of the fact that there hasn't been a great Zelda game since Wind Waker. And that WW only seems great due to the piss poor games that followed. I disagree, I thought it was great at the time too. I do love every King's Field game a lot hehee. Wind Waker is one of my favorite Zelda games also because you get to actually explore a lot. I love the grid map because it's like the first Zelda where you know going in that each square has something on it to find. That's why I love it so much too, the exploration is so great, I love exploring the sea and there's just so much stuff to discover.
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Post by vetus on Dec 26, 2014 17:04:43 GMT -5
HG101's article about Zelda CD-i games is one of the most biased articles I've ever read in my life. Then again for every crappy game there will be always some people to fanatically support them by claiming that they're not that bad and most people are unfair with them for certain reasons. Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 is the most famous example. The argument "you talk negative about it because you haven't actually played it" is a typical invalid argument that every fanatic supporter use. And it makes it look much stupier when there are many detailed gameplay videos that show how awful are these games. Also the argument "if you have played them, you've possibly not gotten very far." is also invalid. If a game is totally unplayable from the beginning, what makes you think that the gameplay is improved in later parts? And yes, I have actually played Link: The Faces of Evil (not in emulator but in an actual Philips CD-i console at a retro games event) and it's as bad as they say. Finally I find it so hilarious to see people get so mad over AVGN's review for Zelda CD-i games. And you say that AVGN fanbase is obnoxious? How ironic. And for the record only a tiny amount of the fanbase is like you describe. You know what? I think there's room for this to become the site's first Point/Counter-Point article. Someone should write a second article about the game that patiently and calmly describes exactly what is wrong with the CD-i Zeldas, without bringing up the obvious (cutscenes) or attacking the other article. Which part of "I have played the game" you don't understad? Also AVGN, like many other people, have analyzed why it's bad. Cutscenes is the least problem and you won't give a shit about them if the game is good. Take for example Dust - An Elysian Tale. It's a great game with wonderful graphics that can easily compete with Vanillaware's works. But the cutscenes? Not so good (which is kinda undestandable since it was an indie game). Has anyone avoided the game because of the cutscenes? No.
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Post by derboo on Dec 26, 2014 17:57:11 GMT -5
This was a month ago and no one has doubted your claim. Weasel has actually made a suggestion in support of your statements, but you've clearly demonstrated that you can't do patiently and calmly (well, maybe patiently since you've waited a month for this reply). Don't be an ass just for the sake of it.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 27, 2014 3:28:02 GMT -5
Which part of "I have played the game" you don't understad? Um, I never said that? Besides, even though AVGN has already gone to lengths to describe why he thinks it sucks, I really don't feel like watching him when I can read a well-thought-out article about it instead. I'd hoped that you might be willing to write such an article, but wasn't expecting you to assume that I hadn't even read your post. Come on, would I do that?
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