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Post by X-pert74 on Jun 8, 2011 17:20:38 GMT -5
Nintendo's stock took a huge plunge after unveiling the Wii U. Investors and fans alike seem displeased with this new console. I think it's silly; if I were an investor I would be doing anything but selling off my Nintendo stock. |
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Post by Shellshock on Jun 8, 2011 18:02:38 GMT -5
I should appreciate that Nintendo tries so hard to innovate and create new things. Variety is a good thing.
Yet I feel like they are trying to cheat me into buying another white amalgamation of recycled hardware off of Good Will shelves. Two GameCubes tapped together = Wii. Two GameCubes + one Wii tapped together = Wii U?
And who the hell is in charge of marketing? Do they really think that "Wii" was a good name just because it sold so much? Does anyone really know what "Wii" stands for, anyways, let alone "Wii U"? Holy crap, Nintendo.
I imagine the target audience for this is housewives, the elderly, and little kids; Nintendo's new target demographic thanks to the Wii's success. They are also trying to attract the hardcore base, it seems, but entering direct competition with PS3 and 360 at this point is ridiculous. The customer bases for each console have long been established and Microsoft and Sony will launch their own new cutting edge consoles soon after the Wii U, making it obsolete to hardcore gamers.
It just seems like an upgraded Wii. It even LOOKS like an upgraded Wii. But yeah, they could somehow end up selling a ton of them anyways, which would encourage their behavior and reaffirm them in this casual gaming ride. Ugh. But I REALLY would love to see them fail miserably so that they start making consoles I care about again. The parallels between the 3DS (another unimpressive and disappointing console, in my opinion) and the Virtual Boy keep growing deliciously prophetic...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 19:27:51 GMT -5
I know there's the shameless self-promotion thread for this, but it's relevant: www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=19479635If people put Wii controllers through TVs, I could see stuff like this happening to the controllers for the WiiU. Shellshock voiced just about everything I feel about this. Nintendo is going through with this because they know we'll buy it. And if we don't, they really don't give a shit, they'll just come up with another gimmick and that one will sell. Then they'll make at least two updates of that if it's a handheld. And we'll buy it because we don't know any better. I hope they actually have some third party games on WiiU. That's like wishing for world peace though. Speaking of which...not really a hell of a lot shown for 3DS beyond what was announced last year. I guess this and just being sick of being a sucker are keeping me from buying one. |
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Post by Super Orbus on Jun 8, 2011 20:35:11 GMT -5
Nintendo's stock took a huge plunge after unveiling the Wii U. Investors and fans alike seem displeased with this new console. I think it's silly; if I were an investor I would be doing anything but selling off my Nintendo stock. Sounds like a buying opportunity to me. Nintendo's proven their anility to make money in my eyes. |
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Post by X-pert74 on Jun 8, 2011 21:27:09 GMT -5
I should appreciate that Nintendo tries so hard to innovate and create new things. Variety is a good thing. Yet I feel like they are trying to cheat me into buying another white amalgamation of recycled hardware off of Good Will shelves. Two GameCubes tapped together = Wii. Two GameCubes + one Wii tapped together = Wii U? I don't even know what you're saying there. The Wii U is going to be more powerful than the 360 and PS3 are. Maybe not significantly, but it's not "two Gamecubes and one Wii" or whatever the fuck. And who the hell is in charge of marketing? Do they really think that "Wii" was a good name just because it sold so much? Seems like a perfectly reasonable decision to keep the Wii name. Why wouldn't they want to keep a name with that much brand recognition? It just seems like an upgraded Wii. It even LOOKS like an upgraded Wii. But yeah, they could somehow end up selling a ton of them anyways, which would encourage their behavior and reaffirm them in this casual gaming ride. Ugh. But I REALLY would love to see them fail miserably so that they start making consoles I care about again. The parallels between the 3DS (another unimpressive and disappointing console, in my opinion) and the Virtual Boy keep growing deliciously prophetic... Why wouldn't a successor to the Wii looks like an upgraded Wii? The PS3 was an upgraded PS2, and the Xbox 360 was an upgraded Xbox essentially. And Nintendo started going in their Wii/DS type of direction in the first place because they weren't very successful making "core"-gamer systems. As for the 3DS, it just launched; almost no systems have great lineups in their first year. The original DS sure as hell didn't, and look where that is today. I hope they actually have some third party games on WiiU. That's like wishing for world peace though. Did you watch the conference? A lot of third-party developers voiced their emphatic excitement for the system, and a number of multiplatform games were shown for the system, such as a new Ghost Recon game, Darksiders II, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Ninja Gaiden III, and some others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 21:33:48 GMT -5
I take it you didn't sell your Nintendo stock.
And I guess I should have been more specific, "I hope that there's more third party games that I wouldn't otherwise be able to play on one of the real video game systems that I own already, and would actually give me a reason to buy the WiiU aside from the one game Nintendo manages to squeeze out every six months to year. Not to mention, half of those games aren't going to be worth playing anyway because it's going to involve Waluigi riding a talking rock drill in an attempt to make things 'new' or 'different'."
Yeah, I'm a hater.
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Post by Lee on Jun 8, 2011 21:44:28 GMT -5
I'm on the hate train too. I am so tired of bullshit gimmicks, just give me a real console for godsakes. This system looks like a disaster in the making and it has been stated that the graphics are on par with the PS3 and 360, so it makes you wonder if they even tried to make a cutting edge product.
A more apt title would have been "Wii Fuck U."
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Post by X-pert74 on Jun 8, 2011 22:12:53 GMT -5
I take it you didn't sell your Nintendo stock. And I guess I should have been more specific, "I hope that there's more third party games that I wouldn't otherwise be able to play on one of the real video game systems that I own already, and would actually give me a reason to buy the WiiU aside from the one game Nintendo manages to squeeze out every six months to year. Not to mention, half of those games aren't going to be worth playing anyway because it's going to involve Waluigi riding a talking rock drill in an attempt to make things 'new' or 'different'." Yeah, I'm a hater. Yeah, some third-party exclusives would be nice to have. Fortunately one just got announced earlier today; Killer Freaks From Outer Space, by Ubisoft. I'm sure more will be announced in the time leading up to the Wii U's launch as well. |
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Post by Shellshock on Jun 8, 2011 22:37:09 GMT -5
The Wii U is going to be more powerful than the 360 and PS3 are. Maybe not significantly, but it's not "two Gamecubes and one Wii" or whatever the fuck. Admittedly, I haven't read anything else other than 1UP's report on it, but they say it's going to be on par with PS3 and 360. There's also a Wii U thread over at Talking Time in which it's being discussed that Nintendo is betting on Sony and Microsoft not launching any new consoles in the next couple of years due to the bad economy and other factors. Even so, Nintendo is still way too late for the HD party because anybody interested in these kinds of games already bought a 360 or PS3 3-to-5 years ago. Seems like a perfectly reasonable decision to keep the Wii name. Why wouldn't they want to keep a name with that much brand recognition? It makes sense financially. But think about how stupid "Wii" sounds. Ok, scratch that. REMEMBER how stupid "Wii" used to sound when you first heard it (because by now we are all used to it). And now add "U" to it. I feel stupid pronouncing it out loud, let alone in a store. Of course, in Japan it just sounds cute. Why wouldn't a successor to the Wii looks like an upgraded Wii? The PS3 was an upgraded PS2, and the Xbox 360 was an upgraded Xbox essentially. And Nintendo started going in their Wii/DS type of direction in the first place because they weren't very successful making "core"-gamer systems. As for the 3DS, it just launched; almost no systems have great lineups in their first year. The original DS sure as hell didn't, and look where that is today. The Wii looks like an external CD ROM, which makes it look cheap. The Wii U also looks like an external CD ROM! Couldn't they just make it look prettier? Just a facelift to add a little bit of value, or to make it easier for granma and her retirement home bowling league buddies to be able to tell them apart. And yeah, the 3DS just launched. We'll give it a break. But hey, price cut coming up only months after launch? That's probably a first for Nintendo. |
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Post by Shellshock on Jun 8, 2011 23:02:36 GMT -5
Oh, and since I mentioned the 3DS, let me add a little something I realized the other day:   History repeats itself. Which one is more playable?? You decide! |
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Post by Feynman on Jun 8, 2011 23:35:37 GMT -5
I take it you didn't sell your Nintendo stock. And I guess I should have been more specific, "I hope that there's more third party games that I wouldn't otherwise be able to play on one of the real video game systems that I own already, and would actually give me a reason to buy the WiiU aside from the one game Nintendo manages to squeeze out every six months to year. Not to mention, half of those games aren't going to be worth playing anyway because it's going to involve Waluigi riding a talking rock drill in an attempt to make things 'new' or 'different'." Yeah, I'm a hater. I'm on the hate train too. I am so tired of bullshit gimmicks, just give me a real console for godsakes. This system looks like a disaster in the making and it has been stated that the graphics are on par with the PS3 and 360, so it makes you wonder if they even tried to make a cutting edge product. A more apt title would have been "Wii Fuck U." Yeah, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid either. Is the tech nifty? Sure. But it isn't very practical, and doesn't really add anything to the gaming experience outside of gimmicks that will become tiresome extremely quickly. Remember all the "what if developers do X cool thing with the Wiimote" talk, and how they remained nothing more than what ifs? That's almost certainly going to happen again. The Wii U has third-party support? Okay, but why should people stop using their perfectly good 360s and PS3s? Particularly given that within 2-3 years I fully expect Microsoft and Sony to start rolling out new hardware, at which point the Wii U is behind yet again, and say goodbye to third-party ports! To put it in a more succinct way: I'm not spending $250+ on a new Nintendo console that has a very good chance of being outdated within three years just because it has a new controller gimmick and will receive HD ports of games I can already play on my current systems. |
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Post by muteKi on Jun 9, 2011 1:25:31 GMT -5
On the one hand I'd like to say that the wonderful thing about the new screen is that there are a lot of games that I would like to play using something like touchscreen controls.
On the other hand I use my PC and DS as my primary gaming outlets so I do that already.
Still, at least Nintendo consoles aren't just a PC cabinet with a locked-down OS. A console without a gimmick is just another low-rent PC.
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Post by Feynman on Jun 9, 2011 1:52:24 GMT -5
A console without a gimmick is just another low-rent PC. Yeah, but as long as consoles have standardized hardware (as opposed to the modular nature of PCs) and publishers remain terrified of software pirates, PCs will continue to get the shaft. It's too bad, because I love gaming on my PC, and use it as my platform of choice whenever possible. My current PC is several years old and can run laps around any of the current lineup of consoles, and it was mid-tier when I purchased it. I wish there was more PC development, because console limitations (the hilariously tiny amounts of RAM and the lack of keyboard+mouse controls in particular) have created an annoying barrier in terms of what developers are capable of doing with their games. |
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Post by Haz on Jun 9, 2011 3:27:12 GMT -5
The graphics DO have higher fidelity than the 360 or PS3, based on what was revealed of some of the specs, and things said by the Darksiders II developers. Also, I wouldn't necessarily call being able to run games at a constant 1080p60 (like the Zelda demo) "on par" with the 360 and PS3 which can only do 720p24/30 for the vast majority of games. By the time Sony and Microsoft come out with successors (which won't be for a while because they'd be unprofitable and dev costs would be too high) they can't be that much better if they are, as we're already starting to hit the graphical ceiling here. I think everything about the Wii U looks good so far, especially the controller, which a lot of the press says feels great and light, and not unwieldy like I thought at first glance. My only hopes for the console in addition to getting more third party games tailor made for it, are that they remove Friend Codes for good (the 3DS "phone number" is a start) and give us an actual nice online infrastructure. PS Vita also looks cool, and that price! However, I'm afraid of 3 things with it: 1. The battery life. Not replaceable either due to back touch screen. At least with the 3DS you have third-party battery extension peripherals. 2. If successful, it'll turn handheld gaming into console gaming, basically. 3. Which is kind of coming from 2; that the Vita will be just a dumping ground for PS360 ports, instead of unique games that actually use it's features. To add possible insult to possible injury, Konami and Sega even demonstrated how easy it was to port PS3 assets to the handheld. Only time'll tell, though. Exactly how? I really, REALLY wonder how you came to that realization. Have you even played SSF4 3D Edition? |
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Post by X-pert74 on Jun 9, 2011 3:57:19 GMT -5
Admittedly, I haven't read anything else other than 1UP's report on it, but they say it's going to be on par with PS3 and 360. There's also a Wii U thread over at Talking Time in which it's being discussed that Nintendo is betting on Sony and Microsoft not launching any new consoles in the next couple of years due to the bad economy and other factors. Even so, Nintendo is still way too late for the HD party because anybody interested in these kinds of games already bought a 360 or PS3 3-to-5 years ago. I agree that they'll need to work hard to convince owners of other systems to buy the Wii U, but if they can get a solid list of exclusive games along with superior versions of multiplatform games, that should help them out. It's way too soon to tell how that'll go, but hopefully some more exclusive games that look interesting get announced for it. It makes sense financially. But think about how stupid "Wii" sounds. Ok, scratch that. REMEMBER how stupid "Wii" used to sound when you first heard it (because by now we are all used to it). And now add "U" to it. I feel stupid pronouncing it out loud, let alone in a store. Of course, in Japan it just sounds cute. I think it sounds cute here too  I like the name; I think it's nice. The Wii looks like an external CD ROM, which makes it look cheap. The Wii U also looks like an external CD ROM! Couldn't they just make it look prettier? Just a facelift to add a little bit of value, or to make it easier for granma and her retirement home bowling league buddies to be able to tell them apart. And yeah, the 3DS just launched. We'll give it a break. But hey, price cut coming up only months after launch? That's probably a first for Nintendo. I don't think the system design as it is is great, but I don't think it's in its final stage of design yet. It'll probably be revised at some point before it gets released. If it ended up releasing as it is now though, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I like the small size; it'll be very convenient to use. Didn't the Gamecube get a price cut rather early on? I don't recall exactly, but I think it dropped to $150 very quickly. That isn't very good for Nintendo though, but I imagine they could still make a profit off of it at a lower price. Does anyone remember how part of the reason they priced the 3DS at $250 was because of people online saying they would be willing to pay that much for it? |
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I like the name; I think it's nice.